Sure they have a right to complain. They have a right to complain about their kids marks too. Doesn't mean they're right.
Teachers to Boycott After School Programs
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You're right. Teachers have an obligation to do their job to the best of their ability. Coaching is not their job. You could also make the same argument for parents. How many parents actually volunteer time coaching etc?
Your whole argument falls apart because sports is not a monopoly. There are kids leagues all over the place. Parents who are so concerned have other options (and for parents who think little johnny is going pro, they need to go way beyond school sports).
From what has been previously posted, that seems untrue for teachers. It seems private school teachers are payed essentially the same.
Missing the point.
Again, you're missing the point. This discussion has nothing to do with whether or not the teachers have to volunteer FFS. Of course they don't have to.
I wasn't specifically talking about teachers. Use a TTC fair collector making 100K with overtime as an example. I could go on and on...
You really don't get it do you. Teachers haven't decided to stop coaching extracurricular activities because their jobs have changed or it doesn't work for them anymore. That has nothing to do with it. They are protesting decisions by the McGuinty Government and I personally thing they're a bunch of douches for doing so.
I've since heard their protest has now included refusing to help some fundraising clubs for the United Way. This will do nothing but negatively effect the people who rely on the United Way for help. Way to go teachers, talk about being excellent roll models.
Stamping feet and holding their breath
They refuse to help the clubs,...for the United Way.
FAST
They go on strike,... for the students.I've since heard their protest has now included refusing to help some fundraising clubs for the United Way. This will do nothing but negatively effect the people who rely on the United Way for help. Way to go teachers, talk about being excellent roll models.
They refuse to help the clubs,...for the United Way.
FAST
Think the private schools pay scales were lower, and did not include benefits and pension.
You are correct
It is closer to 1/6 th
I had misread that document when I last viewed it
I will take more care to be factually correct in the future
Thank you for pointing that out
Education is the second largest expenditure for the province and has grown by 10% in 2 years (about the same increase as Health care)
The third largest expenditure is interest on debt which is up 16% in the same time period
Facts are very important frank
They allow people to make informed decisions
It is also very important that one takes responsibility for misquoting a fact
Which I have done
I do need to be more careful in the future
However misquoting a number is not the same as misrepresenting yourself and implying you have an in-depth understanding of a system.
It appears you have been misrepresenting yourself for some time as well as I seem to recall back in the spring a post where you explaining how much time you spent marking.I could be wrong, however that does sound familiar.
I will let you worry about which lies you need to cover.
Now since you are not a teacher (just like to pretend to be a teacher) how can we take any information you provide on the subject as accurate ?
Credibility is such a fragile thing do you not a agree?
Oops, I guess you can not speak about credibility either because you have none
I guess that makes you a "lying whining bitch" does it not?
Maybe I'm a bit dense but the above and below statements don't seem to jive. You seem like teachers should be told how and when they volunteer or under what cases they're allowed to stop volunteering.
And your perception of quality is based on? Are you saying all public teachers are poor quality?
I call bull shit on that.
They are the same teachers and many go back and forth between the two systems over the course of their career and I know of plenty who would been very happy to teach in a public school but were not hired.
There are huge reasons why private sectors students do better than those in the public sector, smaller classes, greater parental involvement, greater access to all of the resources that money and socioeconomic status can buy and a culture of education in their family. ( not true for all the students in private but for the overwhelming majority of them it is).
Does that make for a better teacher? How about the one who is a school where half of the kids come to school hungry does that make for a worse teacher?
I've told organizers that I'll be coaching next yr, but declined when the season was beginning. Had a good reason, but that's the way it goes.
We don't sign a contract to volunteer.
I've also seen coaches quit during the season. Life happens. They're volunteers.
others stepped forward just as they will for the teachers.
The great Irony of this whole situation is that had we taken our strike votes the issue of removal of extracurricular activities would not be on the table at all. Support for these programs is VOLUNTARY and so should not be part of the job actions. I think that this current action played right into the governments hand we should have just waited until we took a strike vote and begun to withdraw services in other ways. This did not happen and now the elementary teachers are refusing to do work that they are not being paid for, yes it hurts the kids but you can't expect people to work for free when they are being kicked in the teeth. Ultimately I think there will be a huge strike mandate and that ultimately the unions will end up in a full strike if only to challenge the unprecedented circumvention of the collective bargaining process by the provincial government. Workers have rights only of they are willing to fight to keep them. Ii will be unpopular and it will likely have a lasting effect on education but the teachers did not pick the fight. If you are mad and you all really should be. Be mad at the government and get them to repeal this law. There was no crisis, the unions were willing to meet all of the government numbers and I think given the last few contracts the province would have been able to make a good deal, the government refused to bargain in good faith. This was never about the money. It was about the government needing to look tough so that it could shore up the right side of the party and keep the PCs from gaining traction and keeping the liberals in power perhaps even back into majority. As in BC the government will be found to have been in the wrong but it will take 10 years to get a ruling by which time everyone will have forgotten all about this mess.
Think the teachers were not willing to give up sick days?
If the education system was made an essential service, with the right to strike removed, this would solve the future problems from strikes.
Depending on the private school you may find teachers who are
a) not qualified by the same standards are public
b) not following the ontariou curriculum
Being private they can follow their own rules and operate independently.
Private schools typically get the spillover from the public system so you get some good with the bad. The difference in teaching quality is probably small over all.
You must be a drama teacher.
If the deal was so bad, why did the Catholic board come to an agreement? The vast majority of working people in the Province of Ontario have little sympathy for your fight. Unfortunately you've been spoiled for far too long and when it comes time to give up a little (and by a little I mean a small amount of what very few others have to begin with) you act like little babies.
Most people who have jobs realize that when times are tough and the company they work for is going through tough economic times, they may not get a raise that year. They may have their hours, bonuses, even benefits cut. That's the reality that most people deal with. Teachers and other union employees see it differently, it's called entitlement and when you don't get what you want, you act like a child who's just had his candy taken away. You need a time out!
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Catholic board has what's called the me too clause. IF the public gets a better deal they can get it too. So they aren't as noble as you think. Let's say a strike happens and pay is lost by the public sector while one strike. The catholic teachers will continue to teach, make money and then get the same benefits others had to fight/sacrifice for.
In all likelihood there will be no raises but what the benefits will look like is still up in the air.
