Teachers to Boycott After School Programs

[basketcase]

And so are the teachers who refuse to show up for extracurricular programs!

So the answer is to use the kids as pawns and refuse to continue "volunteering" which they "volunteered" to do. I was listening to one student who's shot at a scholarship could be in jeopardy because teachers at his school have refused to show up for the extracurricular programs. Way to go teachers.

The teachers have volunteered for these extracurricular programs which is the reason the kids are able to participate in them. The kids have every reason to expect these programs will continue. The fact that some teachers have decided to hang the kids out to dry because they have a beef with McGuinty just proves they're a bunch of spoiled little brats. Who are the real children?

As much as I dislike actions that affect the kids, there is absolutely no reason why a teacher should volunteer unless they actually want to. If the government legislation is a reason they don't want to, that's too bad for the kids. Unless the teachers contract says they must do x hours of extracurriculars each year, they can do what they want.

 

[basketcase]

Too many damn posts to read them all. There are two lesbos in their 50's who are in the "education" field living in our neighbourhood. Their combined salary is probably somewhere north of $300,000 and they get the Summer off. Plus, not long from now they will retire on a Cadillac pension plan and live to over 100 years old. No wonder the Province and Teachers Pension Plan are broke.

Damn lesbians!

 

[red]

is the after school programs really volunteer? if a teacher gets hurt during an after school activity do they claim wsib? or claim it on their own insurance?

 

[JohnLarue]

As much as I dislike actions that affect the kids, there is absolutely no reason why a teacher should volunteer unless they actually want to. If the government legislation is a reason they don't want to, that's too bad for the kids. Unless the teachers contract says they must do x hours of extracurriculars each year, they can do what they want.

Just so we are clear, in your opinion the teachers contractual rights take priority over the interests of the students ?
Is that correct?

 

[frankcastle]

is the after school programs really volunteer? if a teacher gets hurt during an after school activity do they claim wsib? or claim it on their own insurance?

Whether they claim wsib is separate from the volunteer aspect.

No one is forced to coach a team.

If the CHOOSE to coach they are protected by wsib because they are doing acting as a teacher.

 

[JohnLarue]

By the way, do you have kids in the educational system John?

That is my business
I certainly would not discuss my children on the Internet and definatly not on a hooker chat board
I will ask you to respect that

 

[frankcastle]

Just so we are clear, in your opinion the teachers contractual rights take priority over the interests of the students ?
Is that correct?

That's the case for any union job. Your outrage is silly because basically you are mad that unionized people are excercising their rights as members of a union.

For the record I fail to see how not coaching helps from a collective bargaining standpoint. So I'm not in favour of it. But at the same time it is their right to choose not to coach.

 

[frankcastle]

BTW I did not prove your point. Football is not deemed essential. Nor is hockey. Kids provide their own equipment for that. Prior to the raises there was not a glut of football teams.

 

[JohnLarue]

Very few teachers work only 4.5 hours a day if you include lesson planning and preparation. I don`t know where you got that number.

From a teacher

Clearly you`re not a teacher or you don`t know any teachers. They work hard, at least the majority of them do. It is not an easy job. As others have pointed out, you deal with parents, kids, administration, among others on a daily basis and it is stressful. Maybe it`s not worth 90k a year, but that`s not for you to decide.

As a tax payer it most certainly is

If I had kids, as long as they were getting a good education, I wouldn`t care how much their teachers made.

Well, a fool and his money are soon separated

Most teachers do not have cottages either, or if they do, the income`s from another source (family inheritance, stock market)

I have met enough up north to disagree

Cuts will have to made everywhere, not just teachers.

I have said this all along,
The teachers contract just happen to be up right now and education represents approx 1 /3 of the provinces expenditures

And again, the issue for most isn`t the cuts, but the government unilaterally taking away their ability to collective bargain. That is wrong, no matter how much you hate teachers.

The province has been painted into a financial corner
If the labor laws force the province to deeper debt, then there is something fundamentally wrong with those laws and we need new ones ASAP

 

[frankcastle]

John,

You can kiss my ass first. As we are both voters and taxpayers we have equal say on tax dollars.

 

[canuck99]

I don't understand all the righteous indignation.
Let's say I volunteer to stick around at work after my shift and help out a few times a week.
The boss pisses me off by taking away my parking spot so I stop volunteering my time.
Does anyone have the right to complain that I stopped volunteering?

 

[JohnLarue]

That's the case for any union job. Your outrage is silly because basically you are mad that unionized people are excercising their rights as members of a union.

For the record I fail to see how not coaching helps from a collective bargaining standpoint. So I'm not in favour of it. But at the same time it is their right to choose not to coach.

No my outrage is the billions we spend an education system where the rights of the unions take priority over the interest of the students.

 

[mur11]

That is my business
I certainly would not discuss my children on the Internet and definatly not on a hooker chat board
I will ask you to respect that

Tone it down a little dude. It was a simple question.
Whether or not you have children in the public school system influences your attitude. That's all I was pointing out

 

[frankcastle]

From a teacher

Guess that teacher didn't include marking, prepping, meetings, parental contact, volunteer activities. Either that or the one you talked to should be fired.


I have met enough up north to disagree

Oh so you ask, strangers regularly if they own their cottage and how they came by it?

Not sure how to add comments within quotes.....

 

[JohnLarue]

John,

You can kiss my ass first. As we are both voters and taxpayers we have equal say on tax dollars.

At least I am an honest taxpayer
Now did you have a say when you were pretending to be a teacher or when you decided to stop pretending be a teacher?
Was it as a pretend teacher that you explained to us how it was in the schools?

You are a cartoon

 

[JohnLarue]

Tone it down a little dude. It was a simple question.
Whether or not you have children in the public school system influences your attitude. That's all I was pointing out

Its not an appropriate question
Lets leave it at that

 

[frankcastle]

No my outrage is the billions we spend an education system where the rights of the unions take priority over the interest of the students.

Okay so you were wrong about the gdp growth.

And you keep taling about 500 000 lost jobs but the gov claims that 91% of the jobs lost from the recession have been recovered.

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/budget/ontariobudgets/2011/budhi.html

Full-day kindergarten will begin in 200 more schools in September 2011 and will be fully implemented in September 2014

for parent's this is huge as it saves them a lot of money on daycare.

Are you outraged that you are paying someone else's daycare?

 

[frankcastle]

Closer to 1/6th. http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/budget/ontariobudgets/2012/ch2g.html#c2_secG_FTC
Get your facts straight if you're gonna rant.

Facts who needs facts.

 

[GameBoy27]

That's the case for any union job. Your outrage is silly because basically you are mad that unionized people are excercising their rights as members of a union.

For the record I fail to see how not coaching helps from a collective bargaining standpoint. So I'm not in favour of it. But at the same time it is their right to choose not to coach.

Bullshit, spoiled brats. If they choose to "volunteer" they should damn well volunteer. Just because they're throwing a hissy fit for not getting their way is no reason to screw over the kids. If they don't want to volunteer then don't but make that decision at the begining of the year. Nobody is forcing them to. Childish behaviour at the very least. Setting a good example for the kids.

 

[mur11]

From a teacher


My parents were teachers, not me. I am proud to say I have many friends who are teachers. I'm not going to front and spin some story about how how my parents toiled for 12 hours a day and came home smelling like the coal mines. But both were department heads, and believe me, they did not work 4.5/hours a day. They got vacation time, sure. But they had to go in a couple weeks ahead of time to prepare and set up their departments, and once school started, they worked hard. They had to manage employees, deal with kids, some troubled, draft curriculum for the entire department, deal with parents 24/7. Not rocket science, but hard work and work they and many of their colleagues cared about. It's insulting to assume otherwise, quite frankly.


As a tax payer it most certainly is

And your opinion can be expressed in the voter's booth. But it is just one opinion. You do not speak for other people. I assume you're in private industry of some sort. Some would say private industry and the wastes associated with it, are the reason Ontario is in debt. Again, that is one opinion


Well, a fool and his money are soon separated

Meh. That's one way to look at it. Another way would be to put my children's education ahead of some arbitary 'worth' figure. Take a look at school systems in the States to see what happens when teachers are underpaid. I'm not saying if teachers salaries were cut by 10 or 20k a year, our school systems would turn into Baltimore's, but personally, I applaud the value Ontario puts on educators, and am sad to see many teachers get dragged through the mud by newspapers, and yes, some greedy union officials



I have met enough up north to disagree

Whatever. This is a stupid argument. My parents didn't have a cottage, many of their friends didn't, some did. It's a petty argument really.

I have said this all along,
The teachers contract just happen to be up right now and education represents approx 1 /3 of the provinces expenditures

Okay fine. But you have to admit, you're dropping an incredible amount of vitirol on teachers. Demostrate your objectivity by talking about other areas that need to be cut. I don't understand why you can't just say 'teachers salaries should be cut' without adding your own personal opinions about how greedy teachers are.



The province has been painted into a financial corner
If the labor laws force the province to deeper debt, then there is something fundamentally wrong with those laws and we need new ones ASAP

That's a legislative matter. But the McGunity government is attempting to change these laws (and is outright ignoring some of them) without support or due process