LOL more ignorance...... there are not 400K teachers, and they are not all retiring at the same time and they do not all necessarily max out on the gratuity.
You proposed savings will not even save 46 K per teacher when they retire as if I`m not mistaken days banked up to this point will be honoured.
Anyways, the rate of retirement and the savings in the short term is minimal. As teachers retiring in the next few years will likely have the max gratuity.
You are defiantly a short term thinker
Every dollar saved is important
Your trivializing the amount that would be saved, shows you have no respect for either
a) the current taxpayer or
b) future generations who will inherit this financial mess
It is not clear if this "gratuity" is to be grandfathered or not
The real shame is nobody acted 20-30 years ago to prevent us (taxpayers) from having to pay this out now
If the "gratuity" (not even trying to hide the nature of this abusive payment anymore are you?) is canceled, millions will be saved down the road.
Meanwhile, the deficit and interest on it will climb if this is all we do.
Exactly, which is why we need to do so much more (I am just getting warmed up)
The "Gratuity" (why do not just call it what it is - a retirement bonus) is the best place to start
If you really want to handle the debt aggressively you`d have to fire, slash pay and raises taxes. Realistically, I think rasing taxes is the only one that might happen in the near future.
No, that is not a realistic assessment at all
There is no appetite for increased taxes and any party that tries this before controlling costs will be committing political suicide
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...e-to-maintain-Ont-Teachers-compensation/page3
It is pretty clear no one wants to pay more taxes so teacher can maintain the status quo
So let`s see to recap
you were wrong about the gdp of ontario
you don`t know how many jobs lost by the recession have been recovered
you didn`t know that the amount of the education budget that makes up salaries has remained roughly proportional
you don`t know how many teachers are in the province
you miscalculated the short term savings of the pay freeze and stoppage of gratuity/banked sick days
you don`t know how many hours a teacher works as 4.5 h is for high school and assumes no marking, prepping, extracurriculars, meetings, parental contact
you don`t know how much of the ontario budget is accounted for by teacher`s salaries
I guess you will have to blame all that on my teachers , as they did not learn me too good
Inaccuracies ? Perhaps
I will be more careful going forward
Attempts to deceive? No
So who are you pretending to be today Frank?
you also refuse to acknowledge that for many years we were paying 15% tax and it went down to 13% in good times. Now that times are tough let`s bring it back.
Place more burden on everyone, so that your special interest group, gets to keep its ridiculous compensation package.
Absolutely not
that extra 2% could literally generate billions that could all go to the deficit (if we freeze spending on teacher salary and benefits which I said countless times is the likely outcome).
You are allocating $ again frank
We explained this to when you tried to allocate all of your pretend teachers taxes back to your pretend teachers salary in the spring
Finance is not your strength. Stick to the pretending and misrepresentation where apparently you excel
1. You are taking about a consumption tax increase- Are you out of your fucking mind ?
This hurts low income families and seniors disproportionally.
Far better to stop throwing money at an overcompensated group , than trying to take more from everyone
2. As I have said many times before tax increases will become a reality when the health care cost start to escalate
3. Thats is why is so important to get all costs under control , so that tax increases will support health care needed in 5 -10 years and not to support the debt racked up overcompensating teachers now
So in that scenario not one penny of the extra tax would go towards teachers unless you are suggesting that they should take in addition to the freeze of salarya and benefits and additional pay cut,
Now you are starting to clue in.
Teachers are paid 80% more than the average taxpayer for working 60-70% (am I am being very generous to teachers on this figure) of what the average taxpayer does. The difference in benefits is extreme
This has to be brought more into balance
While wage cuts down to an average of 65K and much lower top end caps is what is really necessary, this would lead to the biggest whining fest in the history of the province
Therefore
1. Freeze the wages for 5 years to let inflation narrow the gap between this overpaid lot and those that work to pay them
2. Slash the benefits (no more sick banking, they pay for 100% of their pension costs etc)
3. Go to a sysmestered system with teachers getting a total of 5 weeks vacation (let them at least try and earn 83K) for the same pay
4. Fire the worst performing 5-10% teachers and the next worse 5% the next year and so on
If the sysmestered system will not work then it will have to be slashing of salaries.
But no tax increases until education costs are controlled
That will put a dent in deficit and then (and only then) can we even think about tax increases to slay the debt and the expected health care increases.
Its not like I did not see the tax increase for teachers idea peculating in your tiny lying mind back in the spring (when you were misrepresenting yourself as a hard working teacher) .
And please do not try and say you increase is not for the teachers as you tied the two together (2% for the defict and teachers maintain what they have- do you think no one saw through that?).
Some might be infavour of an ta increase to pay down the debt, but only after the govt shows it can control costs
you also forget that others are entitled to an opinion, everyone here has a vote, and everyone here pays taxes.
Absolutely, it very important to respect that fact others pay taxes as well
However
1 Not everyone here has common sense (apparently)
2. A certain segment of the population feels compelled to spend my taxes on their special interest groups
3. Another segment views taxes are their ticket to a soft life and financial well being
4. Very few think further down the road than their next paycheque
If other want to direct money to teachers they are free to write them a cheque, but you do not speak for the majority, so do not expect your fools idea to fly
It is best for everyone to be respectful of how taxes are spent as the
very worst sin is wasting them
