So if a coach decides after a few years to quit because he has other things to do be it newborns, marriage, or whatever they are forever bound? Why is this any different.Bullshit, spoiled brats. If they choose to "volunteer" they should damn well volunteer. Just because they're throwing a hissy fit for not getting their way is no reason to screw over the kids. If they don't want to volunteer then don't but make that decision at the begining of the year. Nobody is forcing them to. Childish behaviour at the very least. Setting a good example for the kids.
Teachers to Boycott After School Programs
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First of all we're talking about organized extracurricular programs for kids. Secondly the answer is yes. The kids and parents have every right to complain when some teachers put kids in the middle when they don't get their way.
It's totally different. The ones who've decided to stop volunteering have done so in protest, not because of newborns or marriage. They have blindsided the students who have every reasonable expectation that they will be there for the kids. If they sign up to volunteer, they owe it to the students to show up. Bunch of little cry babies.
Well I suppose the kids are young enough to not remember the last strike.
And they probably don't follow politics.
So I suppose they were blind sided.
But again you are forgetting that this is only happening at Stephen Lewis.... not sure if any others have shown up in the news..... but the point is of those kids how many are going to be negatively affected i.e. in grade 12 and playing at a high level. Even if that's the case then they could go play in a community league.
More schools are following suit. No, it's not whether kids will be negatively effected it's the fact that they chose to do this because they aren't getting their way. It's a bad message to send students.
Screwing over the kids?Bullshit, spoiled brats. If they choose to "volunteer" they should damn well volunteer. Just because they're throwing a hissy fit for not getting their way is no reason to screw over the kids. If they don't want to volunteer then don't but make that decision at the begining of the year. Nobody is forcing them to. Childish behaviour at the very least. Setting a good example for the kids.
Isn't that what the government is doing by trying to get the cheapest, not best, education for our kids?
What, a pay freeze and eliminating the banking of sick days is going to negatively effect our kids education? Please tell me you're smarter than that. Guess you haven't been paying attention to the amount of debt the Province is in.
You're right. you and others will complain no matter what, so let me rephrase.
I know it's organized extracurricular programs.
I'm planning to volunteer as a coach for my kid's team in a community sports program again this yr.
If I decide not to do so I don't think anyone has the right to tell me I have to do it.
Contract or no contract, teachers have a moral (if not contractual) obligation to take care of their students.
Like it or not within their rights to do so. We'll be having the same type of argument when the drs go on strike.
Depends who you ask. Some just want teachers to teach traditional curriculum and not the touchy feely everybody wins stuff. So extracurriculars and their value depends on who you ask.
People talk about the kids, and how their pawns and their well being.
Why is it that when say pilots go on strike people aren't in arms calling them selfish people who don't care about the passengers? Or that auto workers don't care about the customers who will have to pay for their raises and benefits?
The mention of children by the anti teachers is simply an appeal to emotion. Teachers are exercising their legal rights. Like it or not, it is their right. That's the thing about the law, sometimes you agree with it and other times you don't, but that's the way it is.
They are taxypaying citizens who vote and have the same rights that the rest of us have too.
Why is it that when say pilots go on strike people aren't in arms calling them selfish people who don't care about the passengers? Or that auto workers don't care about the customers who will have to pay for their raises and benefits?
The mention of children by the anti teachers is simply an appeal to emotion. Teachers are exercising their legal rights. Like it or not, it is their right. That's the thing about the law, sometimes you agree with it and other times you don't, but that's the way it is.
They are taxypaying citizens who vote and have the same rights that the rest of us have too.
When workers go on strike at an airline, we can fly another airline, there is no monopoly. The taxpayers did not pay for the planes and other infrastructure that is locked up by the union.
When teachers go on strike they lock up the infrastructure that is paid for by the taxpayers. People have no other options but to settle with their demands.
Same with TTC. Do you also believe that the cleaners and ticket takers at TTC are paid market pay, which is close to $30/h + benefits and pension? What are the chances a TTC worker could get a private sector job that offers the same compensation?
Almost all public sector jobs are monopoly jobs, hence they got the public by the short hairs.
I suppose with teachers, one could argue sending your kids to private school or home schooling but how many families can afford those options?
Exactly! There's so many unionized government employees who are paid far above what a person in the private sector would get. No wonder we pay high taxes but government is in debt, there's no money for infrastructure, roads, social programs etc. But that's a different topic.
Sure, if teachers don't want to volunteer, then don't. All I'm saying is if they sign up at the beginning of the year, they should follow through with their commitment and not change their minds because they're not happy about something right at the beginning of the school year.
The vast majority of teachers realize this and continue to volunteer because they're honoring their commitment. They know it's the right thing to do. Good on them and it's what I'd do. My beef is with the one's who've decided to say too bad for the kids, I'm not happy with McGuinty. Really makes them look like a bunch of assholes and I'm not alone on this one.
If teachers don't want to volunteer then fine, change the rules to allow others outside of the school system to volunteer. As long as they can pass a background check as they do in other sports organizations then I don't see any problems with this.
As for their time off then put them on a yearly salary and remove all these crap PD days from the school year. Have them scheduled during the summer time when it won't impact the students at all. Let the teachers earn their vacation at the rates the rest of us do. Since Christmas and March break are mandatory have that time count towards their vacations.
My SO works for a school board and we adapt our vacation time to when she has off. She is not paid during the summer and must collect UI. If you travel out of the country while on UI you will have money clawed back because you are unavailable. NO SHE IS NOT A TEACHER.
As for their time off then put them on a yearly salary and remove all these crap PD days from the school year. Have them scheduled during the summer time when it won't impact the students at all. Let the teachers earn their vacation at the rates the rest of us do. Since Christmas and March break are mandatory have that time count towards their vacations.
My SO works for a school board and we adapt our vacation time to when she has off. She is not paid during the summer and must collect UI. If you travel out of the country while on UI you will have money clawed back because you are unavailable. NO SHE IS NOT A TEACHER.
Just so we are clear, did you bother reading my whole post or did you just assume what I said?
Sorry to burst your bubble but is someone volunteered for something last year, that means nothing for this year. Years ago, I volunteered helping coach at a school. My job changed and I decided volunteering at a school didn't work for me any more. My boss would be pretty pissed of if I told him that I was required to leave work a couple times a week because I previously coached I'm obligated to continue in future years.Bullshit, spoiled brats. If they choose to "volunteer" they should damn well volunteer. Just because they're throwing a hissy fit for not getting their way is no reason to screw over the kids. If they don't want to volunteer then don't but make that decision at the begining of the year. Nobody is forcing them to. Childish behaviour at the very least. Setting a good example for the kids.
