Sugar Dating Experience

[Param2000]

I am so glad I found this thread!
Been on SA since 2019. Multiple countries. Had a very good long term with a member (not in Canada) in 2020 and then again in 22 (in Canada). Mostly single MILFs (my type) and there is conversation and NSA sex.
Recently I am seeing a trend where members would enter an arrangement on a ppm basis, meet in a hotel, I generally pay allowance upfront, to get it out of the way, and they then decline having sex with " I can't have sex on a first date. I am not an escort" narrative.
One even went to kissing and cuddles and then said " Can we stop?" . It was so embarassing to stuff that boner back in the pants. On another instance, we agree to get intimate on first date via sms earlier, but she later plainly declines after receiving funds saying " I don't have sex on first dates!"
This has happened with me twice following which I deleted my account on SA.

I am average looking but had some amazing first date sex. Sometimes bodies dont vibe so I move on. No one is treating you "like an escort" !

I suspect this is a new type of scam. I am traumatized by sex being weaponized all my life in relationships. But this is another level!

 

[Tony2000]

I am so glad I found this thread!
Been on SA since 2019. Multiple countries. Had a very good long term with a member (not in Canada) in 2020 and then again in 22 (in Canada). Mostly single MILFs (my type) and there is conversation and NSA sex.
Recently I am seeing a trend where members would enter an arrangement on a ppm basis, meet in a hotel, I generally pay allowance upfront, to get it out of the way, and they then decline having sex with " I can't have sex on a first date. I am not an escort" narrative.
One even went to kissing and cuddles and then said " Can we stop?" . It was so embarassing to stuff that boner back in the pants. On another instance, we agree to get intimate on first date via sms earlier, but she later plainly declines after receiving funds saying " I don't have sex on first dates!"
This has happened with me twice following which I deleted my account on SA.

I am average looking but had some amazing first date sex. Sometimes bodies dont vibe so I move on. No one is treating you "like an escort" !

I suspect this is a new type of scam. I am traumatized by sex being weaponized all my life in relationships. But this is another level!

Personally, I have not had this happen but it seems like a scam. They get you to hand over the cash and then bail. They were probably planning this all along - it has nothing to do with how the meeting is going or your looks.

 

[Leimonis]

I am so glad I found this thread!
Been on SA since 2019. Multiple countries. Had a very good long term with a member (not in Canada) in 2020 and then again in 22 (in Canada). Mostly single MILFs (my type) and there is conversation and NSA sex.
Recently I am seeing a trend where members would enter an arrangement on a ppm basis, meet in a hotel, I generally pay allowance upfront, to get it out of the way, and they then decline having sex with " I can't have sex on a first date. I am not an escort" narrative.
One even went to kissing and cuddles and then said " Can we stop?" . It was so embarassing to stuff that boner back in the pants. On another instance, we agree to get intimate on first date via sms earlier, but she later plainly declines after receiving funds saying " I don't have sex on first dates!"
This has happened with me twice following which I deleted my account on SA.

I am average looking but had some amazing first date sex. Sometimes bodies dont vibe so I move on. No one is treating you "like an escort" !

I suspect this is a new type of scam. I am traumatized by sex being weaponized all my life in relationships. But this is another level!

Some of your dates may have been scammers but more sounds like simply delusional rookies. I have a few suggestions.
1. Do one platonic meet and greet before taking them to a hotel. Scammers consider it a waste of time and will show their true colours. A delusional rookie would also have to show her cards when she realizes that a platonic date is not a paid date.
2. don’t do girls under 23 or so unless it’s patently obvious they know what they want and what they are doing.
3. Take them to your place if you can. A hotel date feels escorty and a girl is kinda entitled to ask for money up front and then she can bail. At your place you can simply say: I won’t rob you in my own house. I’ll put the money on the dresser and you take it before leaving.

 

[shack]

Recently I am seeing a trend where members would enter an arrangement on a ppm basis, meet in a hotel, I generally pay allowance upfront, to get it out of the way, and they then decline having sex with " I can't have sex on a first date. I am not an escort" narrative.
One even went to kissing and cuddles and then said " Can we stop?" . It was so embarassing to stuff that boner back in the pants. On another instance, we agree to get intimate on first date via sms earlier, but she later plainly declines after receiving funds saying " I don't have sex on first dates!"
This has happened with me twice following which I deleted my account on SA.

At this very moment in time, lol, I am in discussion with a tall, slinky and sultry 21 year old blonde. We have agreed upon $400 for a 3 hour date tomorrow evening.

Yesterday evening she says that once we start getting our hands on each other, the allowance will be due. I said that I don't pay until the end of the date. She messaged me just now saying we could do half at the beginning and half at the end. I told her that I need to think about it. I'm telling you guys, not her, that I'm somewhat reluctant, even at a $200 risk.

I figured that now would be a good time to ask if she's into DFK and if a cover is required for oral. She messaged back asking what is DFK and could I explain what I meant about a cover for oral. I don't know if those were serious questions or if she was just being coy. IMO, somebody who wants the money at the beginning sounds like a pro, because that is how it works when you're seeing a SP. Most actual SBs don't do that. I replied to her queries but have not heard back yet.

For my fellow TERBites, should I go for the 50:50 or not? She looks really hot. If she says no to either of the DFK or BBBJ, it's a definite pass for me. If she agrees to both, I have a decision to make.

 

[GeeBee]

Some of your dates may have been scammers but more sounds like simply delusional rookies. I have a few suggestions.
1. Do one platonic meet and greet before taking them to a hotel. Scammers consider it a waste of time and will show their true colours. A delusional rookie would also have to show her cards when she realizes that a platonic date is not a paid date.
2. don’t do girls under 23 or so unless it’s patently obvious they know what they want and what they are doing.
3. Take them to your place if you can. A hotel date feels escorty and a girl is kinda entitled to ask for money up front and then she can bail. At your place you can simply say: I won’t rob you in my own house. I’ll put the money on the dresser and you take it before leaving.

Agree with all of the above, other than the hotel bit. I can’t host at home so I’ve never had the option, but the girls I’ve seen seem to be most comfortable in a hotel for the first sexual date. Kind of neutral ground. But I haven't experienced this new phenomenon of no sex on the first date when It’s actually the second.

Absolutely the meet and greet, or even the suggestion of it, weeds out scammers and the delusional. Bring up the subject over drinks or coffee and make sure she knows this is a sexual arrangement, that’s all you can really do to avoid it, but nothing is foolproof I guess.

 

[GeeBee]

At this very moment in time, lol, I am in discussion with a tall, slinky and sultry 21 year old blonde. We have agreed upon $400 for a 3 hour date tomorrow evening.

Yesterday evening she says that once we start getting our hands on each other, the allowance will be due. I said that I don't pay until the end of the date. She messaged me just now saying we could do half at the beginning and half at the end. I told her that I need to think about it. I'm somewhat reluctant.

I figured that now would be a good time to ask if she's into DFK and if a cover is required for oral. She messaged back asking what is DFK and could I explain what I meant about a cover for oral. I don't know if those were serious questions or if she was just being coy. IMO, somebody who wants the money at the beginning sounds like a pro, because that is how it works when you're seeing a SP. Most actual SBs don't do that. I replied to her queries but have not heard back yet.

For my fellow TERBites, should I go for the 50:50 or not? She looks really hot. If she says no to either of the DFK or BBBJ, it's a definite pass for me. If she agrees to both, I have a decision to make.

Have you met her in person yet for a M&G?

 

[Leimonis]

At this very moment in time, lol, I am in discussion with a tall, slinky and sultry 21 year old blonde. We have agreed upon $400 for a 3 hour date tomorrow evening.

Yesterday evening she says that once we start getting our hands on each other, the allowance will be due. I said that I don't pay until the end of the date. She messaged me just now saying we could do half at the beginning and half at the end. I told her that I need to think about it. I'm telling you guys, not her, that I'm somewhat reluctant, even at a $200 risk.

I figured that now would be a good time to ask if she's into DFK and if a cover is required for oral. She messaged back asking what is DFK and could I explain what I meant about a cover for oral. I don't know if those were serious questions or if she was just being coy. IMO, somebody who wants the money at the beginning sounds like a pro, because that is how it works when you're seeing a SP. Most actual SBs don't do that. I replied to her queries but have not heard back yet.

For my fellow TERBites, should I go for the 50:50 or not? She looks really hot. If she says no to either of the DFK or BBBJ, it's a definite pass for me. If she agrees to both, I have a decision to make.

Not a good convo to have over text. You may have blown it already. generally Id say buy her a drink and possibly a dinner first if you want to discuss details like this and get a feel whether she is a scammer or is afraid to be scammed by you.

the 200 upfront situation reminds me of a money tearing scene from eyes wide shut. That was a proper way to deal with it!

And 400 for a girl like that is cheap anyway and she can find an offer of 500 or more in her inbox any time so if you are stood up don’t be surprised.

 

[GeeBee]

At this very moment in time, lol, I am in discussion with a tall, slinky and sultry 21 year old blonde. We have agreed upon $400 for a 3 hour date tomorrow evening.

Yesterday evening she says that once we start getting our hands on each other, the allowance will be due. I said that I don't pay until the end of the date. She messaged me just now saying we could do half at the beginning and half at the end. I told her that I need to think about it. I'm telling you guys, not her, that I'm somewhat reluctant, even at a $200 risk.

I figured that now would be a good time to ask if she's into DFK and if a cover is required for oral. She messaged back asking what is DFK and could I explain what I meant about a cover for oral. I don't know if those were serious questions or if she was just being coy. IMO, somebody who wants the money at the beginning sounds like a pro, because that is how it works when you're seeing a SP. Most actual SBs don't do that. I replied to her queries but have not heard back yet.

For my fellow TERBites, should I go for the 50:50 or not? She looks really hot. If she says no to either of the DFK or BBBJ, it's a definite pass for me. If she agrees to both, I have a decision to make.

Personally I’d say no to the 50:50 until you’ve met in person. If she flakes you know it was never going to happen, and if you do meet and greet you cane get a vibe from the girl.

 

[Leimonis]

Personally I’d say no to the 50:50 until you’ve met in person. If she flakes you know it was never going to happen, and if you do meet and greet you cane get a vibe from the girl.

I would never discuss 50-50 or “money first then sex” over text. I’d simply say I’m not in this to rob you but I would 100% want a meet and greet in this scenario (or in any scenario really).

But for the record I did hear from my SBs how they were cheated. And it’s always the nicest girls. Ugh. But in none of those scenarios money were on the table. So that would be my ultimate solution as eyes wide shut one seems a bit too dramatic.

 

[dchoye]

At this very moment in time, lol, I am in discussion with a tall, slinky and sultry 21 year old blonde. We have agreed upon $400 for a 3 hour date tomorrow evening.

Yesterday evening she says that once we start getting our hands on each other, the allowance will be due. I said that I don't pay until the end of the date. She messaged me just now saying we could do half at the beginning and half at the end. I told her that I need to think about it. I'm telling you guys, not her, that I'm somewhat reluctant, even at a $200 risk.

I figured that now would be a good time to ask if she's into DFK and if a cover is required for oral. She messaged back asking what is DFK and could I explain what I meant about a cover for oral. I don't know if those were serious questions or if she was just being coy. IMO, somebody who wants the money at the beginning sounds like a pro, because that is how it works when you're seeing a SP. Most actual SBs don't do that. I replied to her queries but have not heard back yet.

For my fellow TERBites, should I go for the 50:50 or not? She looks really hot. If she says no to either of the DFK or BBBJ, it's a definite pass for me. If she agrees to both, I have a decision to make.

If she asking what DFK or cover for oral means I think she not a pro escort. Doesn’t rule a scammer who could just take the money and run.
I would do a short M&G or video chat and get a vibe from her first and make sure there no red flags

 

[shack]

Have you met her in person yet for a M&G?

Nope.

She agreed to DFK and BBBJ. She doesn't like the taste of plastic, as she put it. LOL.

 

[xix]

Does She Have TRANSACTIONAL -OR- VALIDATIONAL Sex With You? ( KNOW The DIFFERENCE!!! )

 

[Leimonis]

Does She Have TRANSACTIONAL -OR- VALIDATIONAL Sex With You? ( KNOW The DIFFERENCE!!! )

I started watching and caught myself hoping he’s gonna get a seatbelt ticket before the end of the video

 

[SchlongConery]

At this very moment in time, lol, I am in discussion with a tall, slinky and sultry 21 year old blonde. We have agreed upon $400 for a 3 hour date tomorrow evening.

Yesterday evening she says that once we start getting our hands on each other, the allowance will be due. I said that I don't pay until the end of the date. She messaged me just now saying we could do half at the beginning and half at the end. I told her that I need to think about it. I'm telling you guys, not her, that I'm somewhat reluctant, even at a $200 risk.

I figured that now would be a good time to ask if she's into DFK and if a cover is required for oral. She messaged back asking what is DFK and could I explain what I meant about a cover for oral. I don't know if those were serious questions or if she was just being coy. IMO, somebody who wants the money at the beginning sounds like a pro, because that is how it works when you're seeing a SP. Most actual SBs don't do that. I replied to her queries but have not heard back yet.

For my fellow TERBites, should I go for the 50:50 or not? She looks really hot. If she says no to either of the DFK or BBBJ, it's a definite pass for me. If she agrees to both, I have a decision to make.

IMO, if she was not a pro, and was a sincere, authentic newcomer sb, you blew it by speaking to her in hooker/john language.

Half up front and showing her the other half was there is reasonable. I've heard of girls who have seemingly hit it off really good with a guy , they have sex then he acts indignant having to pay, thinking they had 'something special'. LOTS of scammers like that preying on less than savvy girls.

Agree to to the 50/50 online/text and see what kind of vibe you get from her in person. Then decide if she is going to have to go tend to a "family emergency' or otherwise have any idea she is going to flake otu. I doubt that if she has gone that far to have met , talked, meet and greet, social time and then be in your bedroom with a positive vibe, she's going to run off with $200 if there is $400 available for having some fun, with the possibility of a future.

Be aware, but don't treat them as professional working girls until such time as they make it clear they are... or you get authentic clues she is is. Even then, sometimes it's best to let them play out being a good girl gone bad for a night.

I'm pretty good at reading scammers so that's just my opinion.

 

[shack]

IMO, if she was not a pro, and was a sincere, authentic newcomer sb, you blew it by speaking to her in hooker/john language.

That was the purpose. Once she asked for money up front, my antennae went up and I wanted to be more certain. If she was a civvie, she most likely wouldn't know that it's hooker talk. I had one case where a potential SB insisted that we meet at her place, which I didn't want to do. So I said to her, "So you don't do outcall? Only incall?" She replied, "That's right." No more doubts for me. I eventually told her that only a sex worker would know that. I laughed under my breath as she denied it.

Half up front and showing her the other half was there is reasonable. I've heard of girls who have seemingly hit it off really good with a guy , they have sex then he acts indignant having to pay, thinking they had 'something special'. LOTS of scammers like that preying on less than savvy girls.

Agree to to the 50/50 online/text and see what kind of vibe you get from her in person. Then decide if she is going to have to go tend to a "family emergency' or otherwise have any idea she is going to flake otu. I doubt that if she has gone that far to have met , talked, meet and greet, social time and then be in your bedroom with a positive vibe, she's going to run off with $200 if there is $400 available for having some fun, with the possibility of a future.

OK, I'll go for it. $200 is not the end of the world, but I hate being scammed. It's just text, but I still picked up a good vibe from her. I was thinking that if she wants the $200 once we start, I should stuff the money down my pants. LOL.

Be aware, but don't treat them as professional working girls

Always the gentleman. When she texted me yesterday, she asked if she should wear jeans and a crop top or a one piece. I told her since this is date #1 she should wear the one piece. My actual thinking was that sliding my hand up her dress would be easier than getting her jeans off. LOL

I digress. She said she has a sexy slit leg one piece that is elegant as well. I replied that I'll wear ratty gym shorts and smelly sneakers. Then, "JK. I'll present myself as a classic gentleman."

I'm pretty good at reading scammers so that's just my opinion.

I appreciate your input. It sounds reasonable.

 

[xix]

IMO, if she was not a pro, and was a sincere, authentic newcomer sb, you blew it by speaking to her in hooker/john language.

Be aware, but don't treat them as professional working girls until such time as they make it clear they are... or you get authentic clues she is is. Even then, sometimes it's best to let them play out being a good girl gone bad for a night.

I'm pretty good at reading scammers so that's just my opinion.

People can't seem to read people that well. I seen both genders fail at this specially Narcissist.

Most women don't want the label of SP ( or what ever) I notice. Although it is SP line.
Also they want a date but a small dinner would make it look like it is not an SP event. It looks like a DATE.
People have weird delusion minds, this has been going on since Eve's time. So it would be smart to play along their narrative story line, if you are getting laid for a bargain price or just have fun for their "EXCITEMENT". It is like an Adrenaline rush.

You can outed them if you want but expect them to walk away.

I Don't understand MEN what do you gain by Outing them? Like you if out them you are not mature enough then, but if you speak in a certain way the SB will out herself.
IF you out them is The Archangel of Stupid going to appear before you and crown you with a Dunce hat?

I seen women die their skin "WHITE" in Mexico although they are a mix of White / Mexican, but wanted more white. Do you think it would be smart to say - you are not white enough?

 

[Leimonis]

I seen women die their skin "WHITE" in Mexico although they are a mix of White / Mexican, but wanted more white. Do you think it would be smart to say - you are not white enough?

I like asking brunettes why so many blondes dye their roots black

 

[ValuedSupporter]

Your hat is weird and so are your posts. I’ll have to put you on ignore under nudnik category.

hahahahahah, truth hurts too much

 

[ValuedSupporter]

The other day, I was chatting with a very cute 19 year old Asian. The prospects were looking good and then she hits me with her sob story that she has a deadline for tuition and she'll get kicked out of school unless she comes up with $1,000 and could I please help as both her parents were dead and she has nobody to turn to. I simply said that I don't send money to someone I've never met, a stranger. I said I've been burned too many times before. I can give you money if we meet. She pleaded and begged and made meaningless promises. Finally she quit and just said, "I'm screwed."

If she needed money so bad, why wouldn't she meet?

. We met the same girl!!! She goes to Cambrian?

 

[GeeBee]

IMO, if she was not a pro, and was a sincere, authentic newcomer sb, you blew it by speaking to her in hooker/john language.

Half up front and showing her the other half was there is reasonable. I've heard of girls who have seemingly hit it off really good with a guy , they have sex then he acts indignant having to pay, thinking they had 'something special'. LOTS of scammers like that preying on less than savvy girls.

Agree to to the 50/50 online/text and see what kind of vibe you get from her in person. Then decide if she is going to have to go tend to a "family emergency' or otherwise have any idea she is going to flake otu. I doubt that if she has gone that far to have met , talked, meet and greet, social time and then be in your bedroom with a positive vibe, she's going to run off with $200 if there is $400 available for having some fun, with the possibility of a future.

Be aware, but don't treat them as professional working girls until such time as they make it clear they are... or you get authentic clues she is is. Even then, sometimes it's best to let them play out being a good girl gone bad for a night.

I'm pretty good at reading scammers so that's just my opinion.

Good points here about using the same direct language and questions as you would with an SP. As much as the SB world is similar to seeing escorts, the way a guy should play the game is very different IMO. Be a gentleman, and don’t us the hooker language or acronyms with sugar girls. Take your chances with things like DFK and BBBJ’s find out the answers when you’re getting naked and happy, and repeat if you like what you get. I’ve never had an SB who doesn’t do either BTW. It’s the pro’s who are more careful, they see way more guys and their risks are proportionately higher as a result.