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Aardvark154

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And this shakey momma sure got an earful from her constituents for saying trump is crazy

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/wat...ins-no-vote-on-obamacare-repeal-1012343875690
Ah I see you are being sarcastic. Since they couldn't find a single person who objected to her NO vote.

As to the "crazy" remark that was Senator Jack Reed, what Senator Collins said was the the President's proposed budget was incredibly irresponsible, and that he just didn't seem to understand government budgeting.
 

mandrill

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This guy is flying back an forth across the country after brain surgery and a diagnosis of cancer to lay the boots to trump

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Which just proves.... McCain with half a brain is still a lot smarter than Trump. :nod:
 

Butler1000

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Trump is right along with McCain. Let the system crash. There is no fixing this.

The GOP as a whole fucked this up because NONE of them had a plan. And the Dems for introducing this. Blaming one person is ridiculous. This has been going on, back and forth since the 90's.

Time to move on, let it break down further. Rates rise, more people fined. Then perhaps a lot of incumbents get tossed.
 

mandrill

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Trump is right along with McCain. Let the system crash. There is no fixing this.

The GOP as a whole fucked this up because NONE of them had a plan. And the Dems for introducing this. Blaming one person is ridiculous. This has been going on, back and forth since the 90's.

Time to move on, let it break down further. Rates rise, more people fined. Then perhaps a lot of incumbents get tossed.
But if your idol didn't have a plan, why did he often tell the elctorate that he was going to quickly replace Obamacare with something far cheaper and far better and far more efficient? It's difficult to believe that he was simply lying to America the entire time. After all, Trump is a man of vision and integrity.
 

Butler1000

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But if your idol didn't have a plan, why did he often tell the elctorate that he was going to quickly replace Obamacare with something far cheaper and far better and far more efficient? It's difficult to believe that he was simply lying to America the entire time. After all, Trump is a man of vision and integrity.
He isn't my "idol". I'm enjoying the chaos quite frankly. The old business as usual sure wasn't working. At least this way people are talking and are now politically engaged at the grass roots again.

That's the only way real change can come about. No one man in the presidency can sway both houses with its competing factions and Web of lobbyists and money.

Obamacare is a bad law. Even Democrats admit that. And there are numerous factions all with a different vision. So it has to fail before they will actually compromise. Or some of the incumbents need to be voted out. Preferably for independents and Bernie types.

Otherwise it's going to continue to be shit.

I don't see the Dems proposing a fix either. In fact they voted against Single Payer in California when it was in the bag.

None of them are competent and want it.
 

mandrill

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He isn't my "idol". I'm enjoying the chaos quite frankly. The old business as usual sure wasn't working. At least this way people are talking and are now politically engaged at the grass roots again.

That's the only way real change can come about. No one man in the presidency can sway both houses with its competing factions and Web of lobbyists and money.

Obamacare is a bad law. Even Democrats admit that. And there are numerous factions all with a different vision. So it has to fail before they will actually compromise. Or some of the incumbents need to be voted out. Preferably for independents and Bernie types.

Otherwise it's going to continue to be shit.

I don't see the Dems proposing a fix either. In fact they voted against Single Payer in California when it was in the bag.

None of them are competent and want it.
Your idol, Trump is a lying fuckwit who promised a better care system for cheaper and then had no idea what to do. So he tossed it over to fellow idiots Ryan and McTurtle who are also fuckwit failures. And so it went. Your comments are simply your own fantasies and have no connection with reality. :yawn:
 

Butler1000

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Your idol, Trump is a lying fuckwit who promised a better care system for cheaper and then had no idea what to do. So he tossed it over to fellow idiots Ryan and McTurtle who are also fuckwit failures. And so it went. Your comments are simply your own fantasies and have no connection with reality. :yawn:
Bullshit. The GoP campaigned on this. Are you saying there was a single GoP nominee who DIDN'T campaign on Repeal and Replace? That was the cornerstone of the GoP campaign since it's inception.

And it WAS up to both Ryan and McConnell to shepherd Repeal through. That's what House and Senate majority leaders are supposed to do. Are you now saying it isn't their fault when legislation they created doesn't pass?

That, sorry to say, the just shows how stupidly obsessed you are with pinning every failure on one man.

This is a SYSTEMIC issue with Washington. Dems who passed this piece of crap. GoP who can repeal it. And a President can't herd cats.
 

jcpro

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McCain is a great war veteran. He clearly cares for his country and fellow Americans, something that the current POTUS has no clue.
Actually, he is a political whore who used his military service to feather his nest. He is a prime example what is wrong with Washington and a desperate and overdue cry for term limits. And he used his vote to get back at the sitting President, of his own party, who trashed him during the primaries. His country? His fellow Americans? Well, they can go and fuck themselves. The Senator got his and that's what counts. Besides, the war hero is exempt from Obama care.
 

Aardvark154

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There's a problem and there are left wing and right wing solutions. You and I no doubt prefer single payer, but there are various right wing solutions to make health care more affordable.

Even if Trump is too stupid to think of one it's amazing that he didn't hire somebody to think of one. There are many think tanks that would have helped him if he asked.
This part of what you posted I entirely agree with.

However, no, something would not have been better than nothing.
 

Aardvark154

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Bullshit. The GOP campaigned on this. Are you saying there was a single GOP nominee who DIDN'T campaign on Repeal and Replace?
However, the deal was a better and more affordable plan. It most definitely was not so let's just defund the ACA and throw huge numbers of people to the curb.
 

Aardvark154

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Actually, he is a political whore who used his military service to feather his nest.
Wow, seven years of being tortured and being held in conditions which quite clearly were in violation of the Geneva Conventions. From a family with generations of military service, and this is what you have to say.

Really I wouldn't know you if we passed on the street, but the above is absolutely reprehensible!

You are entitled to disagree with Senator McCain but there is absolutely not the slightest doubt that he is an honorable man who has served the United States of America with the greatest distinction.
 

Butler1000

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Because as posted it was NOT a better and more affordable plan, was junk legislation plain and simple!

By the way GOP is all capitals.
Ah. Feel free to discuss with ol' Oagre who can't get passed the fact the House is responsible for passing legislation.

For some reason my auto correct does the small case O and won't change.
 

jcpro

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Wow, seven years of being tortured and being held in conditions which quite clearly were in violation of the Geneva Conventions. From a family with generations of military service, and this is what you have to say.

Really I wouldn't know you if we passed on the street, but the above is absolutely reprehensible!

You are entitled to disagree with Senator McCain but there is absolutely not the slightest doubt that he is an honorable man who has served the United States of America with the greatest distinction.
I vehemently disagree. His military service is NOT a shield in the political arena nor a measure of his political effectiveness nor a vehicle to advance his political agenda. Nor does it make him immune from criticism, even harsh one. His political existence is quite removed from his hero existence. There's nothing original about soldiers using their service as a stepping stone to a political career. It's as old of a trick as the public "service" itself. Used by Greeks and Roman generals and everyone in between to Eisenhower, Kennedy and even Old Bush. I don't care how great of a warrior, but once you step into the political arena, you may not hide behind your uniform. You're a civilian now, just another snake in the swamp.
 

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Wow, seven years of being tortured and being held in conditions which quite clearly were in violation of the Geneva Conventions. From a family with generations of military service, and this is what you have to say.

Really I wouldn't know you if we passed on the street, but the above is absolutely reprehensible!

You are entitled to disagree with Senator McCain but there is absolutely not the slightest doubt that he is an honorable man who has served the United States of America with the greatest distinction.
Not that you give a shit, but from here on out I will never ever ever call you a name or be rude to you.
 
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