Repeal of Obamacare crashes and burns

[fuji]

It's dead. Republicans don't have the votes and Trump isn't popular enough to cajole the defectors. They couldn't even muster the votes to bring it to the floor let alone pass it.

Maybe finally the GOP will ditch McConnell and reach out to right leaning Democrats to draft a bill people actually want.

 

[Butler1000]

It's dead. Republicans don't have the votes and Trump isn't popular enough to cajole the detectors. They couldn't even muster the votes to bring it to the floor let alone pass it.

Maybe finally the GOP will ditch McConnell and reach out to right leaning Democrats to draft a bill people actually want.

I hope they Ditch McConnell. This was his loss. He has been fighting for this since forever. And was in charge of the Senate. And the crafter of the bill. I doubt the president was much for it. I don't think he worked hard because I don't think even he liked it.

McConnell is a spent force as well. Another one to be primaried out if possible.

 

[MattRoxx]

This is 100% Trump's failure.

He is incompetent, and appoints shitty people. McConnell is no worse at health care than Kushner is at solving the Middle East situation, and fixing government, and everything else Trump appointed him to do.

Stop obsessively making excuses for the US president, like some Russian Twitter bot.

 

[danmand]

Are you tired of winning yet?

 

[jcpro]

This kind of Congressional incompetence is the real and only threat to the Trump's presidency. They really fucked the pooch on this. They better deliver on the tax reform or they'll find themselves unemployed.

 

[MattRoxx]

This kind of Congressional incompetence is the real and only threat to the Trump's presidency. They really fucked the pooch on this. They better deliver on the tax reform or they'll find themselves unemployed.

Trump hogs all the credit for a win and blames others for a loss, and contradicts his own statements. I don't see why anyone would want to 'take the lead' in his tax reform ambition when the main goal is to take from Republican's base voters and give tax breaks to the wealthy.
Unless you're a lawyer charging for billable hours, the best thing to do when Trump wants to appoint you is run the other way as fast as possible.

 

[Anbarandy]

Trump hogs all the credit for a win and blames others for a loss, and contradicts his own statements. I don't see why anyone would want to 'take the lead' in his tax reform ambition when the main goal is to take from Republican's base voters and give tax breaks to the wealthy.
Unless you're a lawyer charging for billable hours, the best thing to do when Trump wants to appoint you is run the other way as fast as possible.

Trump: "I will throw you under the bus, guaranteed!"

Trump: "Pass the buck and blame others is my motto!"

 

[Butler1000]

This is 100% Trump's failure.

He is incompetent, and appoints shitty people. McConnell is no worse at health care than Kushner is at solving the Middle East situation, and fixing government, and everything else Trump appointed him to do.

Stop obsessively making excuses for the US president, like some Russian Twitter bot.

You really don't understand how bills are passed do you.

This is all on McConnell. He scrapped a bill passed by Congress for his own version and couldn't come up with the goods. It's that simple. This is a disfunctional GoP caucus without a clue. Trump was right not to go out of his way for this. It was a bad bill written by a bought and past due date Senator.

Now you quit blaming all the world's problems on one man 7 months in office.

This was around long before he showed up.

 

[jcpro]

You really don't understand how bills are passed do you.

This is all on McConnell. He scrapped a bill passed by Congress for his own version and couldn't come up with the goods. It's that simple. This is a disfunctional GoP caucus without a clue. Trump was right not to go out of his way for this. It was a bad bill written by a bought and past due date Senator.

Now you quit blaming all the world's problems on one man 7 months in office.

This was around long before he showed up.

This^^^^^

 

[Aardvark154]

The President abdicated responsibility. You don't campaign in part on how much better you can make the American Healthcare system and then have absolutely no draft legislation as to what you want to do.

Next, it is a total misreading of the electorate, save for the most hard core of the base that their goal is the repeal of Obamacare rather than wanting a better more affordable system.

Having had the opportunity to observe that a major problem with Obamacare was the one party only nature of it's creation and secrecy, what do Republicans do create one party legislation in secret.

 

[Aardvark154]

You really don't understand how bills are passed do you.

This is all on McConnell. He scrapped a bill passed by Congress for his own version and couldn't come up with the goods. It's that simple. This is a disfunctional GoP caucus without a clue. Trump was right not to go out of his way for this. It was a bad bill written by a bought and past due date Senator. . .

But the House Bill was DOA in the Senate in any event.

As posted ^ there was a total misreading of most of the electorate who want more affordable and better healthcare, rather than some sort of ideological purity test of "we got rid of Obama care."

 

[oldjones]

You really don't understand how bills are passed do you.

This is all on McConnell. He scrapped a bill passed by Congress for his own version and couldn't come up with the goods. It's that simple. This is a disfunctional GoP caucus without a clue. Trump was right not to go out of his way for this. It was a bad bill written by a bought and past due date Senator.

Now you quit blaming all the world's problems on one man 7 months in office.

This was around long before he showed up.

You meant passed by the House; if there was a bill passed by Congress, it would be awaiting only Trump's signature to be the law of the land.

It's on the Party, which went with a bill that couldn't attract its own members to support it, in spite of the largely invisible efforts of their President and the very visible efforts of the Majority Party's Leader in the Senate. If the House Bill — a Republican measure — could have gotten enough Senate votes to pass, it most likely would have been. But it couldn't even get the votes of the Republican Senators, never mind attracting enough Democrats to make up for the shortfall. McConnell knew that, and it's the reason he put the work into the risky Bill he did (which would then have to win in the House, or face a lengthy compromise process)

Truth is: Very few voters want the ACA repealed, although a larger number may want it replaced and improved. The cheers at the rallies were against anything with Obama's name attached to it, and they were as mindless as the votes. What we're seeing is a bunch of pols slowly realizing that all the election rigging that put them in power didn't actually win the people, and they're reluctantly realizing their Party is utterly unpractised at figuring out programs — not just winning slogans — that the country really needs and how to persuade the people they lead, that those plans and projects are what they really want.

Winning isn't everything. In politics it just qualifies you to enter the marathon. Don't blame McConnell or Trump. It was Team Republican that stumbled at the gun.

 

[cye]

This kind of Congressional incompetence is the real and only threat to the Trump's presidency. They really fucked the pooch on this. They better deliver on the tax reform or they'll find themselves unemployed.

HaHaHaHaHaHa etc. Trump has achieved levels of incompetence Warren Harding only dreamed of. You had better find another hero.

 

[cye]

The President abdicated responsibility. You don't campaign in part on how much better you can make the American Healthcare system and then have absolutely no draft legislation as to what you want to do.

Next, it is a total misreading of the electorate, save for the most hard core of the base that their goal is the repeal of Obamacare rather than wanting a better more affordable system.

Having had the opportunity to observe that a major problem with Obamacare was the one party only nature of it's creation and secrecy, what do Republicans do create one party legislation in secret.

He didn't abdicate responsibility. He lied through his teeth and the ignorant deplorables believed him. Trumps and chumps.

 

[Aardvark154]

He didn't abdicate responsibility. He lied through his teeth. . .

One can argue about the semantics, however, the fact remains that when you promise that with your business experience you can make the American Healthcare system much better and much more affordable and then send absolutely no draft legislation up to Capital Hill, you have abdicated your responsibility and not lived up to your promises.

 

[toguy5252]

One can argue about the semantics, however, the fact remains that when you promise that with your business experience you can make the American Healthcare system much better and much more affordable and then send absolutely no draft legislation up to Capital Hill, you have abdicated your responsibility and not lived up to your promises.

You are assuming that he has read the ACA or has the slightest clue as to what is in it. That is a huge leap and the evidence would suggest the contrary.

 

[fuji]

You really don't understand how bills are passed do you.

This is all on McConnell. He scrapped a bill passed by Congress for his own version and couldn't come up with the goods. It's that simple. This is a disfunctional GoP caucus without a clue. Trump was right not to go out of his way for this. It was a bad bill written by a bought and past due date Senator.

Now you quit blaming all the world's problems on one man 7 months in office.

This was around long before he showed up.

Trump did go out of his way for this. He called all the GOP senators to the Whitehouse and demanded they vote for it. He begged and pleaded. He threatened.

He was ignored

 

[fuji]

The President abdicated responsibility. You don't campaign in part on how much better you can make the American Healthcare system and then have absolutely no draft legislation as to what you want to do.

Next, it is a total misreading of the electorate, save for the most hard core of the base that their goal is the repeal of Obamacare rather than wanting a better more affordable system.

Having had the opportunity to observe that a major problem with Obamacare was the one party only nature of it's creation and secrecy, what do Republicans do create one party legislation in secret.

I agree. The problem though is the GOP itself isn't unified. They are trying to create some weird bill that both the right wing extremists and the moderate Republicans can support and it isn't going to happen, they don't agree with each other.

If McConnell stops trying to exclude Democrats the moderate Republicans could easily find enough Democrats to pass a good overhaul that would be popular and sail through both houses.

Or maybe McConnell is the problem and should be replaced by someone more willing to reach out across the aisle and make deals.

 

[Butler1000]

I agree. The problem though is the GOP itself isn't unified. They are trying to create some weird bill that both the right wing extremists and the moderate Republicans can support and it isn't going to happen, they don't agree with each other.

If McConnell stops trying to exclude Democrats the moderate Republicans could easily find enough Democrats to pass a good overhaul that would be popular and sail through both houses.

Or maybe McConnell is the problem and should be replaced by someone more willing to reach out across the aisle and make deals.

Your last sentence is the point I'm trying to make Fuji. The President doesn't work in a vacuum.

And in a way Trump is also right about walking away. It seems due to ideology the only way to get them to compromise is a cliff.

You can say he is walking away from his responsibility and on the surface that is correct. But Congress hasn't really listened to the President in the modern era except for a war vote in decades. If ever. And health care is the biggest beast beyond that. So much money has been used to buy enough of the them to keep it private.

And there just won't be a good private solution. You can't use private business to give health care for all and maintain affordability AND profitability.

So long as Big Med is paying bills they won't allow a single payer solution. They killed it in California and they will continue to kill it Federally.

 

[Butler1000]

The President abdicated responsibility. You don't campaign in part on how much better you can make the American Healthcare system and then have absolutely no draft legislation as to what you want to do.

Next, it is a total misreading of the electorate, save for the most hard core of the base that their goal is the repeal of Obamacare rather than wanting a better more affordable system.

Having had the opportunity to observe that a major problem with Obamacare was the one party only nature of it's creation and secrecy, what do Republicans do create one party legislation in secret.

I'm sorry we disagree in this Aardie. I think Congress is still bought by Big Med. They are calling the shots with enough to kill a proper solution.

And no President can get it done solely by will and popularity.