Maple Leafs

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There's one or maybe two members who just don't get it. The Canadiens knew that Tony Esposito was an exceptional goalie. They let him go because they already had Vachon and Worsley and Dryden in the system (yes, the Montreal system).

"With Vachon and Worsley in nets and a prospect named Ken Dryden in the system, Esposito was left unprotected in the June 1969 intraleague draft and was claimed by the Blackhawks for $30,000."
Dave Stubbs: Blackhawks legend Tony Esposito fondly recalls his one Stanley Cup – in Montreal | Montreal Gazette

 

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No Ferguson admitted they would've taken Pogge too but the fans and media would've flipped out if he traded away the Canadian kid instead of the non Canadian kid. They could've gotten Raycroft for less but Ferguson was worried that someone would given the Bruins a higher draft pick.

The Leafs got screwed by the Bruins twice. Gerry Cheevers (HOF) was in the Leaf system before the Bruins grabbed him. Also, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Rask will also end up in the HOF as well.

"He was owned by the Toronto Maple Leafs until the Boston Bruins drafted him in 1965."
Gerry Cheevers | Ice Hockey Wiki | Fandom

 

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None of those other "great" Leaf goalies mentioned by that other member has their statute in front of Scotia Arena AND their Leaf jersey number retired like Johnny Bower.

 

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There's one or maybe two members who just don't get it. The Canadiens knew that Tony Esposito was an exceptional goalie.

Then they wouldn't have let him go on waivers. They would have traded him for something..

He was a much better goalie than Vachon. Why didn't they let Rogie go instead. Actually, Espo was a better goalie than Dryden as well, but Espo was the one they let go for nothing. Your story makes no sense.

Once again, you are making things up.

Please provide a reference for us for the "Montreal system" of building a team. If there was a real Montreal system you'd provide a link to shut me up. But you can't because you made it up. There is no Montreal system and you are lying.

 

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None of those other "great" Leaf goalies mentioned by that other member has their statute in front of Scotia Arena AND their Leaf jersey number retired like Johnny Bower.
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And that proves that Esposito was a great goalie for Montreal and their imaginary system? Please provide a reference that backs up your assertion of THE Montreal system. YOU CAN'T.

Is there a statue of Tony in Montreal?

 

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Anyone who says that the Montreal Canadiens don't have a system or isn't a system is to put it mildly misguided.
"A team is a living system—more than a collection of individual parts."
Coaching The Team As A System • Team Coaching International

 

[Indiana]

Tied for most wins overall now

 

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Anyone who says that the Montreal Canadiens don't have a system or isn't a system is to put it mildly misguided.
"A team is a living system—more than a collection of individual parts."
Coaching The Team As A System • Team Coaching International

Any _____ would know that every team, in every sport tries to implement a system of play. Thanks Captain Obvious. Are you saying that the current Habs play the same system as the '76 team because it's their particular system.

You keep talking about "the Montreal system" and that it applies to how to build a team. Yet:

1)You have zero proof of anybody anywhere talking about the system that you have described for Montreal. You made it up. It's a lie.

2)Laughingly you said that the on ice way of playing is a "style", not a system. Your link is non-specific to Montreal and is the opposite of what you said. It talks about "systems" for coaching on-ice play and nothing to do with how to build a team.

System (model, template, etc.) is how one builds a team.

Style is how one plays the game on the ice. The Canadiens are (were?) also noted for "fire-wagon hockey". The term ‘fire-wagon hockey’ was coined in the 1950s"

You made up this whole Montreal system and have no evidence to prove otherwise. You are so desperate that you are contradicting yourself. Hahaha.

It's time for you to admit that you made it up. You've been exposed.

 

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The Leafs got screwed by the Bruins twice. Gerry Cheevers (HOF) was in the Leaf system before the Bruins grabbed him. Also, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Rask will also end up in the HOF as well.

"He was owned by the Toronto Maple Leafs until the Boston Bruins drafted him in 1965."
Gerry Cheevers | Ice Hockey Wiki | Fandom

The Leafs knew that Cheevers was an exceptional goalie but they let him go because they already had Bower, who'd still play for almost 10 more years.

The Canadiens knew that Tony Esposito was an exceptional goalie. They let him go because they already had Vachon and Worsley

This is fun.

 

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The Leafs got screwed by the Bruins twice. Gerry Cheevers (HOF) was in the Leaf system before the Bruins grabbed him. Also, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Rask will also end up in the HOF as well.

"He was owned by the Toronto Maple Leafs until the Boston Bruins drafted him in 1965."
Gerry Cheevers | Ice Hockey Wiki | Fandom

The Bruins didn't screw the Leafs. The Leafs screwed the Leafs. The next highest offer for Raycroft was from the Coyotes and it was a second round pick. The guy was third on the Bruins depth chart when the Leafs traded for him. I'm just happy that all the idiots that called me a moron for saying Rask was better than Pogge are eating crow now.

 

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The Bruins didn't screw the Leafs. The Leafs screwed the Leafs. The next highest offer for Raycroft was from the Coyotes and it was a second round pick. The guy was third on the Bruins depth chart when the Leafs traded for him.

If Leaf fans feel any better, the Habs got Dryden in a trade from the Bruins for a couple of nobodies.

"Shortly after taking 16-year-old goalie Ken Dryden with the 14th pick in the NHL Draft, the Bruins trade him to the Canadiens with Alex Campbell for Guy Allen and Paul Reid. However, Dryden opts for college instead of the pros and goes 76-4 with one tie in his final three seasons at Cornell before signing with the Canadiens."
June 28: Dryden traded to Canadiens by archrival Bruins (nhl.com)

 

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Unlike Johnny Bower, none of the "great" Leaf goalies listed below have their own statute in front of Scotia Arena. So yes, Johnny Bower was greater than all of them.

"What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying that these guys were not great?
Jacques Plante
Bernie Parent
Curtis Joseph
Grant Fuhr
Ed Belfour "

 

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Has any NHL team ever had 3 future Hall of Fame goalies on their team like the 1968-69 Canadiens? The Habs also had the rights to future Hall of Famer Dryden at the same time as well. So, that makes 4 future Hall of Fame goalies in the Montreal system at the same time.

 

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Unlike Johnny Bower, none of the "great" Leaf goalies listed below have their own statute in front of Scotia Arena. So yes, Johnny Bower was greater than all of them.

"What in the world are you talking about? Are you saying that these guys were not great?
Jacques Plante
Bernie Parent
Curtis Joseph
Grant Fuhr
Ed Belfour "

What an idiotic concept. Using statues as a parameter.

I'd say that every one of those goalies was better than Bower, except for maybe Fuhr.

Ken Dryden was the last piece of the puzzle that Sam Pollock put it place to win the cups in the 70's. The lineup was potent and already loaded with future HoFers by the time he arrived. That is not the way your imaginary system is supposed to work.

You are the only person in the world describing the Montreal system of building a team. If there was such an entity it would have already been discussed and revered.

Please provide references to any journalist or hockey historian discussing the Montreal System. If you can't, it is an admission that you are lying about this.

 

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Spezza suspended for 6...he deserves it but I’m surprised he did it.

 

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If Leaf fans feel any better, the Habs got Dryden in a trade from the Bruins for a couple of nobodies.

"Shortly after taking 16-year-old goalie Ken Dryden with the 14th pick in the NHL Draft, the Bruins trade him to the Canadiens with Alex Campbell for Guy Allen and Paul Reid. However, Dryden opts for college instead of the pros and goes 76-4 with one tie in his final three seasons at Cornell before signing with the Canadiens."
June 28: Dryden traded to Canadiens by archrival Bruins (nhl.com)

Very seldom do the Bruins whiff on trades. They traded goalie Ron Grahame to the Kings for their first round pick in 1979. The Bruins only made the trade because they had depth at the position. Who did the Bruins draft that year. Some french defenseman named Raymond Bourque. But there's a big difference between trading an asset you have no idea who it will be and trading one you know can be someone very good. The Leafs also did this when they traded away Kenny Jonsson to the Islanders just so fan favorite Wendal Clark could come back.

 

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The Leafs also did this when they traded away Kenny Jonsson to the Islanders just so fan favorite Wendal Clark could come back.

So, who won the first Wendel Clark trade?
Who wins the trade? Wendel Clark for Mats Sundin, 20 years later - The Hockey News

 

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Very seldom do the Bruins whiff on trades.

How about the Thornton and Seguin trades.

 

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How about the Seguin trade?

Long story short. Young Tyler was not a fit for the Boston system.
"The second reasoning was whether Tyler Seguin’s work ethic and his style of play fit with the Boston Bruins. He is definitely a skill and finesse player first and was purely that as a young player in Boston. The front office may have wondered if his playstyle would fit on what was a grit grinder roster at the time."
Boston Bruins: Revisiting the Tyler Seguin trade with the Dallas Stars (causewaycrowd.com)

 

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Very seldom do the Bruins whiff on trades. They traded goalie Ron Grahame to the Kings for their first round pick in 1979. The Bruins only made the trade because they had depth at the position. Who did the Bruins draft that year. Some french defenseman named Raymond Bourque. But there's a big difference between trading an asset you have no idea who it will be and trading one you know can be someone very good. The Leafs also did this when they traded away Kenny Jonsson to the Islanders just so fan favorite Wendal Clark could come back.

The Bruins won when they traded for Phil Esposito from Chicago and won again when they traded him to the Rangers...they also acquired Rick Middleton for aging Ken Hodge in another deal...probably lost the deal that sent Al Secord to Chicago for Mike McConnell, Secord had 50 goal seasons with Chicago.