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GameBoy27 said:
The "system" as it were, is to draft good players, develop them, make good trades, find a hot goalie and a reliable backup, win the draft lottery, hope they becomes a star, hire a good coaching staff then hope the team gels and wins a cup before your star contracts are up. There's your system, only there's 31 other teams trying to do the same thing, all under a salary cap.
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That's a long winded description. Can you give it a shorter name like ?????????????????????.?
 
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"By the time Dryden started playing Montreal already had:
Frank and Pete Mahovlich
Cournoyer
Beliveau
Richard
Lemaire
Houle
Tardif
Ferguson
Backstrom
J.C. Tremblay
Lapointe,
Laperriere
Harper"
Before Dryden, Montreal had future HOFers Vachon, Worsley and Esposito. Montreal has always place a premium on getting really good goalies (like Carey Price). The first step in building a good team.
 
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You know who I love on the Leafs this year? T.J. Brodie. Every now and then his name gets mentioned in a broadcast and I have this thought like "Oh yeah. I forgot he was on the team." And that's a compliment. He's not flashy or spectacular. You don't notice him very much. He's just playing some really solid defence - rarely out of position; rarely makes a mistake. Just does his job and does it well. One of Dubas' best pickups.

The Leafs remind me a bit of the Blue Jays of the mid 80's-early 90's. Always a contender, always in the mix, but just not the right chemistry to make it work. Like 85 when they led KC in the ALCS 3-1 and then blew 3 in a row to lose in 7 games. Like 87 when they had a 6 game lead over Detroit with a week to go and lost all their remaining games and blew it. Just not able to get over the hump. Then came 92, and they suddenly made the right tweaks to the roster, developed some heart, had young players who had finally come into their own and they won back to back World Series. Not saying the Leafs are going to be that successful - just they they're a little bit similar in my opinion.
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TJ Brodie is a guy you never notice on the Leafs and the Toronto media never writes about him, he must be doing something right.
 
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Darts said:
"By the time Dryden started playing Montreal already had:
Frank and Pete Mahovlich
Cournoyer
Beliveau
Richard
Lemaire
Houle
Tardif
Ferguson
Backstrom
J.C. Tremblay
Lapointe,
Laperriere
Harper"
Before Dryden, Montreal had future HOFers Vachon, Worsley and Esposito. Montreal has always place a premium on getting really good goalies (like Carey Price). The first step in building a good team.
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You only mentioned Dryden, Roy and Price in your previous posts as your examples of the Montreal system. Now you conveniently try to add Gump, Rogie and Espo. Moving the goalposts once again, just as I predicted .

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Your options:
1)Admit you made it up
2)Move the goalposts
3)Turtle
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Esposito played all of 13 games for Montreal. That's a joke to use him as an example of the fictitious "Montreal system." You're desperate. If they knew how good he was, they'd never let go to Chicago in the first place. He only played those 13 games because of injuries to Gump and Rogie. And you know what else, Chicago claimed him off waivers from Montreal. Montreal just let him go for nothing. 😂 :p Epic fail on your part to claim that Espo was part of some imaginary system.

Montreal missed the playoffs with Vachon in net the previous year. Hahaha. He did nothing for your supposed Montreal system and only made his name once he got to LA.

Dryden was the last piece of the Stanley Cup puzzle, that Pollock put in place. Not even close to the first, contrary to "the system",

You struck out dartsy. There is no such thing as a Montreal system. You dreamt it while drinking the Kool-Aid.

Why is there not one single solitary hit when googling "Montreal system for building a team"? The answer is that nobody has ever used that term. You made it up.
 
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stedon said:
Keep in mind that there was no NHL entry draft until the mid-60's. Before then the Canadiens had basically first crack at any and all French Canadian players, which is why before the mid-late 60's there weren't that many really good French Canadian players who weren't in the Habs system. That was a huge advantage for them and accounts for some of their Stanley Cup haul over the years.
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My memories only go back to around the mid-60's so I always saw a mix of Francophone and Anglophone players.

Post- mid 60's (and maybe also prior) in the Montreal system, they always tried to get the best goalie available to them at the time from Worsley (HOF) to Vachon (HOF) to Dryden (HOF) to Roy (HOF) to Price (FHOF). (At one point Montreal had so many good goalies they had to let Vachon and Esposito go.) A roughly equal mix of Francophones and Anglophones. The same mix pretty much held true for the rest of the line up.

P.S. I took a look at the 1960 Maple Leaf roster and it looks almost totally Anglophones. One would think this gives the Leafs an advantage over the Habs as Anglophones are a larger population in Canada than Francophones (i.e larger pool of talent).
Toronto Maple Leafs 1960 Roster | Toronto Maple Leafs (nhl.com)
 
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Leafs the best defensive team in the Conference by GAA and now their offense has come alive.
 
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One would think that every NHL team has a system, a model, a template, a PLAN on how to build a successful team.

Even the Leafs have something call the ""Shanaplan".
Maple Leafs’ 2020-21 Are the Next Step in the Shanaplan (thehockeywriters.com)
The Maple Leafs' Shanaplan will be on trial in Game 7 | Toronto Sun

BTW: According to one article 2 of the best 5 goalies in NHL history. That is no accident, The Habs prioritize getting good/great goalies.
The 5 Best Goaltenders Ever In NHL History (thehockeywriters.com)
 
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Darts said:
My memories only go back to around the mid-60's so I always saw a mix of Francophone and Anglophone players.

Post- mid 60's (and maybe also prior) in the Montreal system, they always tried to get the best goalie available to them at the time from Worsley (HOF) to Vachon (HOF) to Dryden (HOF) to Roy (HOF) to Price (FHOF). (At one point Montreal had so many good goalies they had to let Vachon and Esposito go.) A roughly equal mix of Francophones and Anglophones. The same mix pretty much held true for the rest of the line up.

P.S. I took a look at the 1960 Maple Leaf roster and it looks almost totally Anglophones. One would think this gives the Leafs an advantage over the Habs as Anglophones are a larger population in Canada than Francophones (i.e larger pool of talent).
Toronto Maple Leafs 1960 Roster | Toronto Maple Leafs (nhl.com)
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Please find a reference anywhere on the internet that discusses a "Montreal system", let alone one that corroborates the BS that you are spewing.

Every single team tries to get the best goalie available to them.
 
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Darts said:
One would think that every NHL team has a system, a model, a template, a PLAN on how to build a successful team.

Even the Leafs have something call the ""Shanaplan".
Maple Leafs’ 2020-21 Are the Next Step in the Shanaplan (thehockeywriters.com)
The Maple Leafs' Shanaplan will be on trial in Game 7 | Toronto Sun

BTW: According to one article 2 of the best 5 goalies in NHL history. That is no accident, The Habs prioritize getting good/great goalies.
The 5 Best Goaltenders Ever In NHL History (thehockeywriters.com)
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Please find a reference anywhere on the internet that discusses a "Montreal system", let alone one that corroborates the BS that you are spewing.

You are deflecting. You invented the "Montreal system".
 
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stedon said:
But the anglo players also had options with the American teams - especially Detroit, being right on the border -
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I took a look at the 1960 Detroit roster. Quite a few players from western Canada. Of course, there weren't many (none?) American (or Euro) players back then so they would have to come from Canada. Montreal never got many (none?) players west of the Ontario/Manitoba border. Anyway, I think Toronto and Detroit were "fishing in a much bigger pond" than Montreal.

Apparently, both Sawchuk and Glenn Hall were in the Detroit system at the same time. (On the other hand, Vachon, Esposito and Dryden were in the Montreal system at around the same .)
Detroit Red Wings 1960 Roster | Detroit Red Wings (nhl.com)
Montreal Canadiens 1960-61 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com
Toronto Maple Leafs 1960-61 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com
 
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