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torboy

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Look.... the NHL Expansion Draft rules were flipped on their head in 2017 to justify the cost the league imposed on the Golden Knights to enter the league, and the new draft rules ensured success right off the hop. The goal was to not create another brand new franchise that struggles for years as was usually the case, and for Vegas to create success in their new market immediately.

The Golden Knights became the most successful first-year franchise in league history and reached the Stanley Cup Final their first year of existence.

The Seattle Kraken had the same advantage and are now showing great success as a second-year club.

The Vancouver Canucks did not have the advantage of the current expansion draft rules.

If the Toronto Maple Leafs had been in the Stanley Cup Final in 1982, 1994 and 2011 like the Canucks were, it would not be viewed as "embarrassing and disgusting".
The CBC, TSN and Sportsnet staff were doing backflips when the Leafs won a single playoff round last week.

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Draft rules or not, 53 seasons is Way Too Long to go without a Championship. Even Calgary won one Cup. And I never say 3 Final appearances in 53 seasons was "disgusting", but the fact Vancouver never won a Championship is.
 

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It should be a slam dunk that Luke Schenn is coming back to Toronto next season.
He's the ideal partner for Rielly. Schenn did the same for Hughes in Vancouver.
Rielly had his best season when he played with Ron Hainsey in 2018-19.
He scored 20 goals, 72 points, and was +24. All career bests.
Hainsey that year was +30 also career best. He was also +5 in 7 playoff games.
Hainsey is career -21 and Rielly career -22

In these playoffs Rielly has 3 goals 11 points, and +10 in 10 games.
Only Slavin +13 has better in these playoffs. Schenn is +7 in 10 games.
Against the Panthers in 4 playoff games Rielly is +2.
It's Brodie -5 and McCabe -6 that was getting caved in.
Rielly has been playing like a true #1 with Luke Schenn.

Schenn has a very low cap hit. Lead the league in hits and will fight.
He's slow but so was Ron Hainsey.
Both Schenn and Rielly were drafted by the Leafs 5th overall.
 
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“The first thing is that they care. They care deeply. And because of that, you give that type of effort. They didn't want to go quietly,” Keefe said.

Makes you wonder where was this type of effort in the previous three games ? Did they not care enough or was it because Keefe couldn’t get it out of them until they felt like they “ didn’t want to go quietly “ ?
 
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No hate for the leafs...they are a good team, will they win the cup this year? chance is slim...but never even expected them to get this far....who do i hate? bandwagon fans and the media...they talk so much hype of the leafs when they were winning and essentially asking for heads to roll when on the brink of elimination...this doesn't even happen in just hockey...baseball and basketball too...TO fans (bandwagon) and Toronto media are just pathetic bunch...I'm with Mitch Marner...you don't listen to them, you won't gain anything positive...
 

John Wick

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“The first thing is that they care. They care deeply. And because of that, you give that type of effort. They didn't want to go quietly,” Keefe said.

Makes you wonder where was this type of effort in the previous three games ? Did they not care enough or was it because Keefe couldn’t get it out of them until they felt like they “ didn’t want to go quietly “ ?
I laughed when I heard that. What exactly do they care deeply about? It's not the wants, needs, expectations or opinions of the owners, the fans, or the media according to Mitch Marner. He said they actually don't give a shit about any of that and don't listen to or care about anything that is said or written by anyone outside the dressing room. I suspect that even includes what the coaches are saying inside the dressing room given their refusal to put in consistent effort game in/game out. What do they care about?

Their own ability to sign contracts and keep making money. Everyone else can pound sand. Player selfishness on full display. Well done, Mitch!

Nylander was another overt example of player selfishness. He not-surprisingly played the game of his life when getting 40 goals this season was on the line. Pretty sure there was bonus money to be had for him at 40 that was going to disappear if he stalled at 39. Didn't matter if they won or not, just him getting to 40. Once that was done, he was back to fucking the dog most of the time he's on the ice.
 
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I laughed when I heard that. What exactly do they care deeply about? It's not the wants, needs, expectations or opinions of the owners, the fans, or the media according to Mitch Marner. He said they actually don't give a shit about any of that and don't listen to or care about anything that is said or written by anyone outside the dressing room. I suspect that even includes what the coaches are saying inside the dressing room given their refusal to put in consistent effort game in/game out. What do they care about?

Their own ability to sign contracts and keep making money. Everyone else can pound sand. Player selfishness on full display. Well done, Mitch!

Nylander was another overt example of player selfishness. He not-surprisingly played the game of his life when getting 40 goals this season was on the line. Pretty sure there was bonus money to be had for him at 40 that was going to disappear if he stalled at 39. Didn't matter if they won or not, just him getting to 40. Once that was done, he was back to fucking the dog most of the time he's on the ice.
‘It might be Keefe’s back door criticism of the core players combined efforts in the pre three game.
 

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Kyle Dubas is paying $3 million for a special assistant and is performing poorly. That special assistant should be shown the door ASAP and give the $3 million pay cheque to goalie Joseph Will. I believe in pay for performance. Matthews and Tavares should be let go and pay Matthew Knies a few million $.

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John Wick

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Kyle Dubas is paying $3 million for a special assistant and is performing poorly. That special assistant should be shown the door ASAP and give the $3 million pay cheque to goalie Joseph Will. I believe in pay for performance. Matthews and Tavares should be let go and pay Matthew Knies a few million $.

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Who is the $3M dollar special assistant?
 

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Almost shit my pants laughing when Slick Willy was floating around aimlessly in the high slot, avoiding any potential for physical contact with an opposing player as usual, and was gifted a goal right on his stick from the puck unexpectedly rebounding out of the corner off the referee's knee. Never a better comedy script has been written. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

To be fair, that flaming Sherwood up his ass appears to still be smoldering away as his game seems to have picked up a tad of late. Not a lot, but still recognizable. 👏
Even when he scores a goal you’re critical of him…I guess you don’t get he was playing the high man, you’d probably want him behind the goal line with the other two forwards and let the other team break out with a 3 or 4 on 2.
 
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Insidious Von

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Joseph Woll had a good 2021 season but 2022 was injury riddled. He's been healthy this season, if I was Dubas I would have cut Murray and let Woll play for the No. 1 spot.

I said that Woll needed to play more at the start of the season...better late than on the golf course.

 

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Matthew Knies expected to miss game 5.
 

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They didn't trade Esposito. He was claimed on waivers.
The point is that one of the greatest goalies in history was on their roster and they let him go and protected the elderly Gumpster instead. Harley the sign of a management team that some try to portray as being elite.
 

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The point is that one of the greatest goalies in history was on their roster and they let him go and protected the elderly Gumpster instead. Harley the sign of a management team that some try to portray as being elite.
Vachon was 3 years younger that Espo. Worsley was the vet that was going to play a backup role.

Plus they had a 20 year old Phil Myre that was stepping up.

Ernie Wakely was in the wings......

They were loaded with goaltending talent. The Habs system at it's finest.

Espo was 25 his first year with les Habs. There was no need to evaluate him higher than what they had. It was a numbers crunch and Espo was put on waivers. Makes perfect sense.

They trade for Dryden and he comes in in 71 and supplants both Myre and Vachon. Then goes on to outplay Esposito in the finals. The next 7 years he's glorious and they have what seemed to be the yearly Stanley Cup parade down Sainte Catherine Street....
 

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Matthew Knies expected to miss game 5.
I hate to say it, but it’s a bit of karma for what Bunting did to Cernak. Both injuries were caused by dirty play. Bunting‘s intention was so stupidly obvious while Bennett was evilly smart to hide it.
 
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