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Frankfooter

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shack said:
Each report gets assessed on its' own merits. It is moronic to insist that the UN or any other entity is always correct.

Let's say in advance that the USSC is always right.
Or the DOJ is always right.

Are you actually that stupid?
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So then we need to discuss each and every UN report before we get to this one.
Lets start with this.

news.un.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.
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Or maybe we should start with this one.
A top U.N. court says Gaza genocide is 'plausible' but does not order cease-fire
 
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Frankfooter said:
Sure, follow the logic, valcazar.
Option a) you don't vote out the party that can change so they stay in power and see no reason to ever stop backing genocide.
Option b) you vote out the party that can change, get 4 years of another party that backs genocide then can vote for a party that has to change and not support genocide, thereby ending genocide support.
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Yes, I follow the logic.
It is stupid and ineffective both in terms of general principle and even more so in the current US environment.

Voting out a group that you think is closer to your position for the group that is further teaches the group closer to your position that they should abandon your position since that's the winning position.
You just showed that being MORE pro genocide is what will win.
I know you don't think that, but that is the lesson that will be learned.

Of course the "and then we vote them back in 4 years when they are forced to change" means you are perfectly happy to make things worse for the people you claim to support for 4 years on the off-chance hope that you can fix it later and in THIS environment, is wildly optimistic that you have the option to vote them out 4 years later at all.

Is he more dangerous?
He's way more senile, has already fucked over the SCOTUS and will spend the next 4 years trying to overturn court decisions against himself and whining about Clinton and Obama.
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I get it.
You have to believe this is true and ignore the entire MAGA movement, his greater support and the even further dedication of the party you want to put into power.
"It's only bad due to Trump, and he is senile so it won't be bad."

Those rose colored glasses aren't doing you any favors here.

Biden still has uncommitted troubles.
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Of course he does.
People are very passionate on this issue and there are lots of people whose understanding of politics is incredibly shallow.[/QUOTE]
 
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Valcazar said:
Yes, I follow the logic.
It is stupid and ineffective both in terms of general principle and even more so in the current US environment.

Voting out a group that you think is closer to your position for the group that is further teaches the group closer to your position that they should abandon your position since that's the winning position.
You just showed that being MORE pro genocide is what will win.
I know you don't think that, but that is the lesson that will be learned.

Of course the "and then we vote them back in 4 years when they are forced to change" means you are perfectly happy to make things worse for the people you claim to support for 4 years on the off-chance hope that you can fix it later and in THIS environment, is wildly optimistic that you have the option to vote them out 4 years later at all.
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In your view.

Again, short of nuking Gaza the situation there cannot get much worse. Half a million are at risk of death by starvation right now, there are deaths in hospitals but there are almost no functioning hospitals which means most of those deaths won't be counted. Another half a million are suffering from contagious diseases. Netanyahu is still saying he will attack Rafah, where 1 million refugees are living, most in tents or unsheltered.

Your view is that supporting genocide is acceptable.

My view is that is the opinion of fascists and nazis, that as citizens of a democracy we have a duty to stand up against genocide.


I get it.
You have to believe this is true and ignore the entire MAGA movement, his greater support and the even further dedication of the party you want to put into power.
"It's only bad due to Trump, and he is senile so it won't be bad."

Those rose colored glasses aren't doing you any favors here.
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I also get it.
In your view rump is not a senile corrupt POS he's a brilliant fascist who learned from 4 years of failure and would never repeat the same mistakes. In your view genocide is happening to people whose understanding of politics is 'incredibly shallow', the kind of attitudes you'd expect from savages that need civilization bombed onto them.

Of course he does.
People are very passionate on this issue and there are lots of people whose understanding of politics is incredibly shallow.
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Is this code for 'inferior race'?
Why does that statement make me think of this post?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766669710811160981
 
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Frankfooter said:
My view is that is the opinion of fascists and nazis, that as citizens of a democracy we have a duty to stand up against genocide.
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Which you plan to do by putting people into power who will give the right wing government in Israel greater reign.
Unless you are advocating that Biden invade Israel and enforce regime change?

I also get it.
In your view rump is not a senile corrupt POS he's a brilliant fascist who learned from 4 years of failure and would never repeat the same mistakes.
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Not at all.
He is a senile, corrupt, POS.
I am just not so silly as to believe that makes his election less dangerous, though.

In your view genocide is happening to people whose understanding of politics is 'incredibly shallow', the kind of attitudes you'd expect from savages that need civilization bombed onto them.
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What a bizarre interpretation.
Genocide isn't happening to any American voters.

Is this code for 'inferior race'?
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My, we are flailing at this point, aren't we?

Why does that statement make me think of this post?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766669710811160981
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Because you're kind of dumb about these sorts of things.
 
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Valcazar said:
Which you plan to do by putting people into power who will give the right wing government in Israel greater reign.
Unless you are advocating that Biden invade Israel and enforce regime change?
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How can they give them greater reign than Biden?
Biden blocks all UN SC resolutions, refuses to call out any war crimes and uses emergency measures to send billions in bombs to Israel.


Not at all.
He is a senile, corrupt, POS.
I am just not so silly as to believe that makes his election less dangerous, though.
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You are inferring that he's going to be much more dangerous than his previous 4 years but haven't explained how or why that will happen.
Why will another 4 years this time bring about the end of democracy?


What a bizarre interpretation.
Genocide isn't happening to any American voters.
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That's a bizarre interpretation of what I said, I didn't infer Americans were experiencing genocide at all, only that your comment made it sound like you think the people who don't support your views are inferior.


My, we are flailing at this point, aren't we?
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No, we are not.
My opinion vs your opinion.

Because you're kind of dumb about these sorts of things.
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Yet I represent those 80% of Biden supporters whose understanding is 'incredibly shallow' in your own view.
You don't seem to think that your views might be either shallow, uninformed or just out of touch here.

Politics are very personal, we all build our own models of the world in our mind and those models include how you think politics work and how you think you need to work through them. If you work from a model that says your understanding is superior to all of MAGA and 80% of dems that looks to others as more of a comment on your views of your own abilities than an objective view of politics and the situation.

Your willingness to support genocide does not make you look 'incredibly deep' to me, it just says you have no moral limits to what you will support than any MAGA supporter. It says to me that you'll back corruption/evil in some form to retain power, which is the exact criticism you use on MAGA.
 
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Valcazar said:
Which you plan to do by putting people into power who will give the right wing government in Israel greater reign.
Unless you are advocating that Biden invade Israel and enforce regime change?
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How can they give them greater reign than Biden?
Biden blocks all UN SC resolutions, refuses to call out any war crimes and uses emergency measures to send billions in bombs to Israel.
Short of walking over the with a nuke and pressing the button for them, you can't do much more.


Not at all.
He is a senile, corrupt, POS.
I am just not so silly as to believe that makes his election less dangerous, though.
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You are inferring that he's going to be much more dangerous than his previous 4 years but haven't explained how or why that will happen.
Why will another 4 years this time bring about the end of democracy?


What a bizarre interpretation.
Genocide isn't happening to any American voters.
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That's a bizarre interpretation of what I said, I didn't infer Americans were experience genocide at all, only that your comment made it sound like you think the people who don't support your views are inferior.


My, we are flailing at this point, aren't we?
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No, we are not.

Because you're kind of dumb about these sorts of things.
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Yet I represent those 80% of Biden supporters whose understanding is 'incredibly shallow' in your own view.
Using terms like that may work when you're marking papers but in the context of debates about racism and support of racism you should be more careful. It shows you hold yourself as more intelligent than those around you and you don't want to bring your own views of supremacy into this debate.

The state of the union started late.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765924033613177033

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766954199047434282
 
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Klatuu said:
This is how absurd supporting Apartheid makes you
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Serious question Little Buddy. I hope you have a serious answer.

How absurd is it for someone with your lifestyle to support people who would cut off your nuts before beheading you because of that lifestyle?
 
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shack said:
Al Jizzonya, the most lying fake news organization in the world. Fake stories, fake pics, fake vids.

They couldn't debunk Gomer Pyle from the top bunk.
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Poor shack, it must be hard when the only source you trust is Netanyahu and the IDF.
No news, no tv and even the National Post is pro Hamas at times.

You can't go out on the streets, you're afraid of protests and you're down to 4 other friends in genocide on the board.
Even the pro Israeli media are turning on you.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766752368337531103

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766990790109069375

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766921466769969266
 
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