Just because you didn't like what you're hearing doesn't mean he's pro-israel now...I have no doubt he is qualified. He must be given his credentials. But I am talking about neutrality. He comes from a pro-Israel partisan country writing for pro-Israel partisan media. I will instead take a neutral UN observer or wait for the ICC investigation to conclude. I am pretty sure they will find evidence of war crimes by Israel.
When you think that travelling to the middle east somehow gives you more knowledge about the conflict than actual scholars on the subject. That's akin to conducting your own COVID research and refusing the vaccine.
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Hamas is using Israel’s unbridled hate, entitlement and inferiority complex against them.
but murdering raping, beheading, kidnapping people at a concert, babies, the elderly, infirm is ok an to be celebrated by people like gryphon and Frankie and their friends. You are still a truly sad and pathetic clown.
No Pete, you are wrong and your accusation of misinformation is ungrounded.
The statement on the image is correct, it states 77% of Canadians support a diplomatic solution OR taking no action.
That is backed up by the numbers you posted. This image was posted in response to Trudeau's government taking an active role by backing the Israeli position.
That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid.
Survey: Canadians view Israel as apartheid, not a vibrant democracy
A recent survey finds that when Canadians are presented with possible descriptions of Israel, the most popular opinion is that Israel is “a state with segregation similar to apartheid.” Only a small minority view Israel as a “vibrant democracy.” The findings provide a profound challenge to...
www.cjpme.org
Yup. Not because of me. Because the Palestinians at the moment are too stupid to accept peace.
Mandrill also supports full ethnic cleansing and collective punishment.
Everyone here already knows where you stand, Slobodan. You should be happy I'm trying to find supporters for your plan of ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for Palestinian civilians.
No, toguy.
None of the violence is acceptable.
But in order to stop it you need to address the root problems.
The occupation and colonization of Palestine.
And since Palestine has been wiped off the maps the only peaceful solution is to end apartheid and give Palestinians full citizenship, human rights and the vote.
butler will put you on ignore soon and then claim he won the debate.
As many Israeli supporters here do. Posters here calling for ethnic cleansing of Palestinian civilians, not one peep. Israel politicians calling for the "Gaza Nakba" and for Canada to take in 500,000 Palestinians, not one peep. Don't wanna cause a glitch in their group think/echo chamber. Their silence is deafening.
As would I, my post was in regards to your claim he was self professing himself as an expert.
The way it is presented IS misinformation, taking results and combining them to present a point is misleading.No Pete, you are wrong and your accusation of misinformation is ungrounded.
The statement on the image is correct, it states 77% of Canadians support a diplomatic solution OR taking no action.
That is backed up by the numbers you posted. This image was posted in response to Trudeau's government taking an active role by backing the Israeli position.
That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid.
Survey: Canadians view Israel as apartheid, not a vibrant democracy
A recent survey finds that when Canadians are presented with possible descriptions of Israel, the most popular opinion is that Israel is “a state with segregation similar to apartheid.” Only a small minority view Israel as a “vibrant democracy.” The findings provide a profound challenge to...
You said"That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid."
It is actually 48% of Canadians surveyed between the ages of 18-34 view Israel as a state with segregation similar to apartheid.
Even more precisely it states " A significant majority (64%) of NDP supporters view Israel as a state with segregation similar to apartheid, as do a majority (53%) of BQ supporters. Meanwhile, 33% of Liberal supporters view Israel in this way."
Your chart shows me:
38% of all Canadians believe Israel is a state with segregation similar to apartheid.
20% see it as a state with restricted minority rights.
31% see it as a flawed democracy.
11% see it as a vibrant democracy.
So I could make a chart saying that 89% of Canadians said that Israel is an apartheid state, a state with restricted minority rights or a flawed democracy.
You see how this is misleading? It leads you to believe that 89% of the respondents believed all 3.
Before you say misleading and misinformation are different, the definition of misinformation is "incorrect or misleading information".
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Once again you attempt to justify the Oct. 7 attack which initiated this current conflict.
OK. Let's just say that they were justified, so you don't have to post any videos or history blah, blah, blah.
With what's happening in Gaza now, was Oct. 7 worth it? In retrospect do you think that it was a good move?
Yes or no or are going to:
My only mistake was a typo, using 48% instead of 58%.
Apartheid = restricted minority rights.
Trying to argue whether its 38% or 58% of Canadians who say Israel is apartheid is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The combo of apartheid and genocide charges will sink Israel. Hamas never could. but Israeli policy will do it for them.
The NDP already call Israel apartheid. Trudeau's stance is killing the liberals almost as much as Biden is doing in the dems.
Biden will eventually stop Netanyahu, then Netanyahu will be done and the political battle to fix Israel will begin for real.
Has zionism been worth it?
Do you think the Jewish people are now safer?
Just to clarify this poll EKOS did the research and Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East posted the chart below.
The above chart notes it excludes respondents who answered "I don't know" and is based on the research below which includes the 29% or 315 of 1089 people polled.
Percentages drop from 38 to 27,20 to 14,31 to 22 and 11 to 8 when 29% of responses are added .
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/cj...with_residuals__n_1089_(Aug10).pdf?1693425097
The above chart notes it excludes respondents who answered "I don't know" and is based on the research below which includes the 29% or 315 of 1089 people polled.
Percentages drop from 38 to 27,20 to 14,31 to 22 and 11 to 8 when 29% of responses are added .
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/cj...with_residuals__n_1089_(Aug10).pdf?1693425097
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No, you got the 48% right, I forgot to add that when I first hit submit but I realized I forgot to include it after I had posted so I fixed it a while ago, most likely after you had first read it, sorry my bad.
As fo the NDP stance it goes along with the resuls of the poll you posted.
Remember?" A significant majority (64%) of NDP supporters view Israel as a state with segregation similar to apartheid, as do a majority (53%) of BQ supporters. Meanwhile, 33% of Liberal supporters view Israel in this way."
I wonder why the Conservative responses were not included in this statement on the report by Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East .
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Coward.
Answer the question I already asked you and then with a yes or no and I'll answer your question.
With what's happening in Gaza since Oct. 7, do you think that the attack was a good move?
I appreciate you taking the time to check sources, but really, its not the issue.
The issue is that Canadians see Israel increasingly as apartheid and its costing politicians support to say otherwise.
There is no chance those numbers will do anything but increase.
Once American and Canadian politicians realize they can no longer support Israel then international sanctions will start.
Its coming.
