meh...I like engaging with debates...specially when someones turns to name calling when they no longer can support their stance....
Israel at war
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Ok, now I see what we're dealing with.Gaza is cleansed of Jews... and Palestinians are allowed to live in Israel.... but I will indulge in your mental gymnastics....
Holy shit.
You say Israel bombing the hospital that they told Palestinians to evacuate to was 'the right thing to do'?
Hospital considered a ‘safe place’ until Israeli strike: Gaza doctor
“The death toll right now is more than 500, but we believe that number will reach more than 1000. It is a massacre,” added Shehadah.
Everybody is waiting for investigative reports on who's rocket was it...IDF is also looking into it...don't get ahead of yourself...
Interesting way to lump us all in like that - I have no issue stating as a lefty moderate Jew that:
1) I long supported a 2 state solution Rabin/Barak/Olmert all offered. It's been a while waiting on that counteroffer....
2) I was actually against the settlements, and despised Sharon over this (well and other stuff)
3) I HATE Bibi - the man should be in jail, he's as corrupt and power hungry as it gets.
4) Worked in the kibbutz with Arabs and liked them plenty....
There are a lot of Jews like me that have felt this way, and therefore felt more detached than usual from Israel - I know I sure did and I lived there for 6 months. That all said, what Hamas did has pushed us all together for a common cause, the survival of our people. (which you mistakenly refer to as Jewish supremacism) I know anti-semitism when I see it, and it's as bad as it's ever been in my lifetime and I'm near 50....
All I said was " I know anti-semitism when I see it, and it's as bad as it's ever been in my lifetime and I'm near 50" - a clear statement on the general tenor at the moment.
So if that's your definition of 'lumping us all in as anti-semites' then I cannot help you.
But you are the one who has waaay more accusers than I do. Why is this frank? A person, you, who has convinced so many others that you are racist, who calls somebody else (me) a racist, does not carry much credibility.
Did you think that Israel would retaliate for the Oct. 7 attack or not?
You've just justified and supported Hamas' terrorist attack of Oct. 7.
How many times have you said that you condemn terrorism, but here you have just admitted that you support this terrorist attack.
Finally, the truth comes out.
DESPITE WHAT HE SAYS FRANK HAS JUST ADMITTED THAT TERRORISM BY HAMAS ON ISRAELI JEWS IS GOOD AND JUSTIFIED.
You may know nothing about debating but you've proven once again how good you are at name calling.
That's all you've got Little Buddy. That is your defense.
It was a clear and unequivocal statement about the Oct. 7 attack on Israeli civilians.
Will you denounce the attack as an act of terrorism.
If somebody can't answer yes or no to that, then it says more about them than it does of me.
I've been to Riyadh and Egypt and Abu Dhabi....I could tell the difference in culture between Arabs from open city to strict cities but Arabs in general are down to earth friendly people. At least the friends i made in Riyadh have taught me what and what not to do while I was there...I also learn, unless you are married, you can't hold your girlfriends hand in public....very interesting city but food and environment was great.
He dances around that question... He will consider Hamas actions "terrorism" but Hamas are not terrorists....
Why do you guys engage with him...LoL...all he does is namecall...he has no argument...
Of course I knew they would retaliate, of course Hamas knew they would retaliate.
Did you ever stop to think why they would attack knowing what the response would be, knowing they would be pummeled?
How about they're literally living in an open-air prison, they have no rights, conditions are so horrendous it's unlivable,
they're living in squalor and it's continually getting worse even without provocation.
I get it, you're Jewish I'm not, you carry baggage into this that I don't, but to keep dealing the anti-Semitism card and "they want to kill all the Jews"
is just convenient and dismissive. You show no sign of trying to understand what would motivate somebody to do something that extreme,
at the risk of their own survival. It's getting worse, nobody gives a shit, and Israel has carte blanche with no accountability, because of who
backs them. And you're convinced Israel's shit doesn't stink, 85% - 95% of Israeli Jews would beg to differ.
Not quite, you also said this.
And what's the difference anyway, it's the same thing, how else would you read it.Background & Overview of 2000 Camp David Summit
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
The answer here is simple - anti-semites will play the apartheid card, but cannot shake the facts that one side teaches their kids regular subjects like Math, Science etc, the other side teaches their kids to hate Jews. Full stop if you haven't seen the textbooks Gazan kids are given.
It stuns me to no end to see Israel vilified for having the audacity to respond and defend herself after having 1400 massacred under 2 weeks ago. It os mind blowing shit and a continual reminder that Jew hating (disguised as anti-Zionism) is never that out of vogue for some people.
If I said I know a Jewish supremacist when I see one in response to your post, you would interpret it any different?
You said anyone who calls Israel apartheid is an anti-Semite, which means you're lumping me in with anti-Semites.
Here's the problem w your argument. The HAMAS assholes did pretty much exactly the same shit that the ISIS assholes did a few years back.
Were the ISIS assholes "oppressed" as well. Or is it all just a combination of sociopathic, brutal people who conveniently seize on jihadi ideology to justify rapes, tortures and murders??
Ok, so Israel is doing pretty much what Hamas did x 10. What's the point?
Funny, ISIS didn't exist until the U.S. stepped all over the Middle East, I think that's more plausible.
Of course they're thugs, but they wouldn't be who they are without the initial cause.
Like Israel uses thugs to defend their own interests, what's the difference?
Tell me Netanyahu is not a vicious psychopath.
"Netanyahu is not a vicious psychopath". There you go.
Call Netanyahu an authoritarian asshole if you must.
The people who formed ISIS were always there. Maybe they thrived on the anarchy that eventually followed the US occupation and they certainly thrived on massive financing from the Arab states.
