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Frankfooter said:
You should go back further.

Prior to 1947 and the zionist movement the mandate of Palestine was a pretty multicultural place, as were most of the countries around them. Beirut was the Paris of the middle east, Iraq had a vibrant Jewish community as did a lot of other Arabic countries.

The zionist movement has been the problem. Not the Jewish people and not Palestinians, but zionism. Its a stupidly 19th century racist colonial movement that has not made Jews or anyone else safer or happier. Stupid ethno states.
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Frankie, XMontrealer posted some wiki articles on anti Jewish pogroms in the Arab states in the 1940's. It's clear that the Arabs were violently anti Semitic.

And Beirut was the "Paris of the Middle East" and was then absolutely trashed by decades of sectarian violence. What does that tell you?!?!?!
 
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richaceg said:
You done arguing and let's focus on solutions? I can do that...
Remove Hamas...
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Except I suspect that HAMAS - or some equivalent Islamist organization - is / will be embedded in the Gaza Arabs at a cellular level....
 
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richaceg said:
Amnesty International

Alleged ties to Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists


In August 2015, The Times reported that Yasmin Hussein, then Amnesty's director of faith and human rights and previously its head of international advocacy and a prominent representative at the United Nations, had "undeclared private links to men alleged to be key players in a secretive network of global Islamists", including the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.[66][67] Ms. Hussein's husband, Wael Musabbeh and a Bradford community trust, of which both Mr Musabbeh and Ms Hussein were directors, were alleged by the United Arab Emirates to be part of a financial and ideological network linking the Muslim Brotherhood to its affiliate in the UAE, which the UAE government in 2013 accused of trying to overthrow the government.[67] Amnesty said it knew in 2013 of the alleged links between the Muslim Brotherhood, Mr Musabbeh, and the Bradford trust, but did not realize there was any connection to Ms Hussein, Musabbeh's wife of 20 years; it also challenged the fairness of the trial.
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Sounds like the kind of conspiracy theory the Proud Boys embrace.
 
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mandrill said:
Except I suspect that HAMAS - or some equivalent Islamist organization - is / will be embedded in the Gaza Arabs at a cellular level....
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I wouldn't doubt that at all...There are going to be Palestinians who wouldn't want to live with Jews...depending on how they interpret the Quran....
 
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FWIW I want to thank most Terbites for not being viciously anti-Semetic thru this. It's going to be a tough couple of years.

There isn't any solution other than the eradication of Hamas. It was largely the same with ISIS for 9/11, and it'd be the same if a Mexican cartel came up to Texas to kill a few thousand and kidnap a few hundred.

It's probable that Iran goaded/funded them into it after they got their $6B for hostages, with the expectation that Israel would respond as they have and the price would be the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. The world will become more anti-Israeli for the next decade, which of course suits Iran just fine.

Unfortunately unless Hamas suddenly releases everyone and lays down arms, their eradication requires boots on the ground in the hundreds of thousands, and so, so many displacements and worse.

It's going to be hard to watch for a year or two, and everyone's hearts should go out to the Gazans, who are being used as pawns by Iran/Qatar/Russia/North Korea. I don't know why they have no fans in the Arab world, but it's a tough spot to be in, and won't get better for a decade or two. They need Israeli investment/support and it won't be forthcoming for quite a while.

In case you're newer to this, Israel did a "land for peace" deal with Gaza in 2005 when the relatively moderate Fatah wing was running the PLO and controlled Gaza. Israeli troops left, and Israeli settlements were abandoned.

A year later Gaza elected Hamas (it was more about PLO corruption than terror, but still), and they haven't had an election since and have basically spent two decades peppering Israel with rockets and terrorist attacks. There is little evidence that Hamas cares about the day-to-day lives of Gazans - last Saturday was a huge victory for them in their primary objective, which is the eradication of Israel. That's literally in their charter.

"You cannot negotiate peace with somebody who has come to kill you" - Golda Meir

You just can't help but feel for the young people of Gaza (fully HALF of the 2.3M population is under 18), who have militant terrorists for a government, little sustenance or opportunities.

It's going to be a tough decade to watch.
 
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shack said:
It's kind of funny how he says that Gov'ts don't designate terrorism. But if the U.N., which represents all the governments of the world, issues a statement about Israel that includes the word terror, he will cite that 100x as verified proof that Israel is a terrorist state.

He lies so much that he can't keep them straight and that's why he gets exposed and everybody calls him liar and terrorist supporter and are tired of his racist double standards. He's becoming not only a laughingstock and a caricature of himself, but a pariah.

Everybody is tired of his hate speech.
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Where is the hate speech in calling for a ceasefire and the end of apartheid?
 
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mandrill said:
Oh come on!

NOT Jackson Hinkle!!!!!???!!!!! Have shred of internet self respect. Hinkle is a notorious, legendary mega Putin troll!!!!
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Ok, I'll apologize for posting that one if you apologize for posting the video that called Israel's hitting a fleeing civilian convoy fake
Deal?
 
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Kracker said:
You just can't help but feel for the young people of Gaza (fully HALF of the 2.3M population is under 18), who have militant terrorists for a government, little sustenance or opportunities.
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Israel should have been bombing them with condoms
 
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mandrill said:
Frankie, XMontrealer posted some wiki articles on anti Jewish pogroms in the Arab states in the 1940's. It's clear that the Arabs were violently anti Semitic.

And Beirut was the "Paris of the Middle East" and was then absolutely trashed by decades of sectarian violence. What does that tell you?!?!?!
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I'm not really interested in arguing which side committed more terrorism around partition. Both sides did but it was just a generally stupid idea of Britain's to try to offload the Jewish refugee problem on Palestinians because they could. The Lavon affair is much like PLO crap later. Stupid and violent and useless. Its all been useless, Israel has more of Palestine now but will lose control of the entire country with the end of apartheid. Olmert, Ben Gurion and many others warned Israelis they should settle for the two state solution while they could.

Beirut? How many times was Lebanon invaded by Israel? Hezbollah came to power the same way Hamas did, in reaction to aggressions.

Israel lost the debate after the Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem and UN reports saying Israel is apartheid. Its just a matter of time before politicians have to take notice. But raising the bar to genocide is just incredibly stupid.

Can you really back a racist ethno state into apartheid and now into genocide?

if only this shit was faked.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713954130580877391
 
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Kracker said:
FWIW I want to thank most Terbites for not being viciously anti-Semetic thru this. It's going to be a tough couple of years.

There isn't any solution other than the eradication of Hamas. It was largely the same with ISIS for 9/11, and it'd be the same if a Mexican cartel came up to Texas to kill a few thousand and kidnap a few hundred.

It's probable that Iran goaded/funded them into it after they got their $6B for hostages, with the expectation that Israel would respond as they have and the price would be the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. The world will become more anti-Israeli for the next decade, which of course suits Iran just fine.

Unfortunately unless Hamas suddenly releases everyone and lays down arms, their eradication requires boots on the ground in the hundreds of thousands, and so, so many displacements and worse.

It's going to be hard to watch for a year or two, and everyone's hearts should go out to the Gazans, who are being used as pawns by Iran/Qatar/Russia/North Korea. I don't know why they have no fans in the Arab world, but it's a tough spot to be in, and won't get better for a decade or two. They need Israeli investment/support and it won't be forthcoming for quite a while.

In case you're newer to this, Israel did a "land for peace" deal with Gaza in 2005 when the relatively moderate Fatah wing was running the PLO and controlled Gaza. Israeli troops left, and Israeli settlements were abandoned.

A year later Gaza elected Hamas (it was more about PLO corruption than terror, but still), and they haven't had an election since and have basically spent two decades peppering Israel with rockets and terrorist attacks. There is little evidence that Hamas cares about the day-to-day lives of Gazans - last Saturday was a huge victory for them in their primary objective, which is the eradication of Israel. That's literally in their charter.

"You cannot negotiate peace with somebody who has come to kill you" - Golda Meir

You just can't help but feel for the young people of Gaza (fully HALF of the 2.3M population is under 18), who have militant terrorists for a government, little sustenance or opportunities.

It's going to be a tough decade to watch.
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The brainwashed always come out of the woodwork. They are like trained seals repeating the same racist myths.
 
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Kautilya said:
Its not like the Hamas wants a secular democracy either. They want a racist Palestinian ethno-state and want to genocide the Jews. So between the Israeli govt. and the Hamas, the lesser evil is the Israeli govt. They are just racist. But they don't intend to commit genocide. Same cannot be said about the Hamas.
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Who do I support? Israel with a very vibrant Democracy, a market economy, a free press, a transparent justice system where the rule of law is the standard, religious freedom, freedom of association, a dynamic intellectual culture and more. The other side? Palestine with violence & hatred.

I know Israel is far, far, FAR more reflective of my values.

Others? They like Hamas. We know why.
 
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Kracker said:
FWIW I want to thank most Terbites for not being viciously anti-Semetic thru this. It's going to be a tough couple of years.

There isn't any solution other than the eradication of Hamas. It was largely the same with ISIS for 9/11, and it'd be the same if a Mexican cartel came up to Texas to kill a few thousand and kidnap a few hundred.

It's probable that Iran goaded/funded them into it after they got their $6B for hostages, with the expectation that Israel would respond as they have and the price would be the deaths of thousands of Palestinians. The world will become more anti-Israeli for the next decade, which of course suits Iran just fine.

Unfortunately unless Hamas suddenly releases everyone and lays down arms, their eradication requires boots on the ground in the hundreds of thousands, and so, so many displacements and worse.

It's going to be hard to watch for a year or two, and everyone's hearts should go out to the Gazans, who are being used as pawns by Iran/Qatar/Russia/North Korea. I don't know why they have no fans in the Arab world, but it's a tough spot to be in, and won't get better for a decade or two. They need Israeli investment/support and it won't be forthcoming for quite a while.

In case you're newer to this, Israel did a "land for peace" deal with Gaza in 2005 when the relatively moderate Fatah wing was running the PLO and controlled Gaza. Israeli troops left, and Israeli settlements were abandoned.

A year later Gaza elected Hamas (it was more about PLO corruption than terror, but still), and they haven't had an election since and have basically spent two decades peppering Israel with rockets and terrorist attacks. There is little evidence that Hamas cares about the day-to-day lives of Gazans - last Saturday was a huge victory for them in their primary objective, which is the eradication of Israel. That's literally in their charter.

"You cannot negotiate peace with somebody who has come to kill you" - Golda Meir

You just can't help but feel for the young people of Gaza (fully HALF of the 2.3M population is under 18), who have militant terrorists for a government, little sustenance or opportunities.

It's going to be a tough decade to watch.
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Its not going to be a decade.

In 2021 the tide started turning and BLM protests aligned with PLM. You can see it now with protests around the world. They protest for Palestinian rights, not for Israel.

44% of Dems say Israel is apartheid. Biden is as pro Israeli as you'll get and he's had too much. He has to get Netanyahu to stop or risk losing the election now. If Netanyahu stops now he's finished. If he carries on he's a war criminal/pariah.

If Netanyahu was smart he could have used the anger from the Hamas attack but instead he's going genocidal and hastening the end of apartheid Israel. Long live the one state solution with equal rights. End apartheid, let both Jews and Palestinians live with equal rights there.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713607897928888621
 
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