Israel at war

Butler1000

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No. Give them equal rights. Form a one state solution, and give them citizenship, so you can accomplish 2 things - a) You can hold on to the land and b) You can give the Palestinians freedom.

Or, give them a 2 state solution with full freedoms and go back to the 1967 borders.

That can be done, or atleast steps taken in that direction, no?

It is also fallacious reasoning to assume that the "Palestinians want to push Israelis into the sea". Watch the video I linked a couple of pages ago.

So in your "realistic" world, it is completely acceptable to brutalize an entire ethnic group of people, because "Israel has to exist"?



Yes and I dont believe Israel has established proportionality. The losses are too high to justify the attacks. Hence my accusation of this being a war crime.
The naivete astounds me.
 
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I am not asking for it to go anywhere. Am asking Israel to follow international law. And to resolve the overarching issue diplomatically
yes, diplomatically! this is actually a great idea! I am surprised that nobody thought of it during the last 75 years
 

Butler1000

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I am not asking for it to go anywhere. Am asking Israel to follow international law. And to resolve the overarching issue diplomatically, instead of continuing to focus on stealing lands and oppressing people.



Yeah, I know, everyone should gleefully, be on board with war crimes and ethnic cleansing. You've made that clear.
Seriously. When thehell has "international law" ever really come into play, especially in the ME.

300,000 in Yemen dead
250,000 in Syria dead

Not a peep. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.

The world is an ugly place. You really need to grow up.
 
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By diplomatically he means that Israelis should just quietly march off into the sea.
I believe that some posters may honestly not recognize that "from the river to the sea" means elimination of israel. One would think they would recognize their profound lack of knowledge and information on such a complex subject. They barge into it and then find their bubble in the sea of information and propaganda and all of a sudden someone who started out like a normal person becomes radicalized before our eyes. It's quite educational.

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And they so masterfully turn a blind eye to the fact that pushing the pro-palestine agenda is helping the worst people politically right now. They will not help Palestinians but they help Trump, Putin and Iran. They deny it because it's so uncomfortable and stupid, but it's also profoundly sad.
 

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Fwiw I'm going to add the :ROFLMAO: "like" emoji to every pro-Hamas or anti-Israel post I see here just to confuse the issue, just like "versitile1" does to almost every pro-Israel and pro-Jew post, just to confuse who is actually adding what emoji to those posts...

Unless I feel like adding the :mad: emoji, of course.

What fun! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Fwiw I'm going to add the :ROFLMAO: "like" emoji to every pro-Hamas or anti-Israel post I see here just to confuse the issue, just like "versitile1" does to almost every pro-Israel and pro-Jew post, just to confuse who is actually adding what emoji to those posts...

Unless I feel like adding the :mad: emoji, of course.

What fun! :ROFLMAO:
Or you can try being original and using your own brain. Oh wait, you're part of the zionist group think/echo chamber. Never mind.
 
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BREAKING NEWS: Footage of Calgary Police arresting 5 protesters including a child and an alleged pregnant woman has surfaced online from today’s pro-Palestine protest. “Three individuals have been charged with assaulting a peace officer. A fourth individual was charged with obstruction of a peace officer,” Calgary Police said. Protesters said that the child was let go afterwards, and announced that they’d be heading to the District 1 Police station to demand the release of others. However that didn’t happen, and after much waiting in front of their station, police put down their shields and sticks and retreated inside. The arrests were made after some demonstrators blockaded Macleod Trail, one of the busiest route to exit downtown. You can watch my exclusive on-the-ground coverage of today
 

Butler1000

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Other war crimes do not justify present war crimes. Try again.



Deliberately following a policy of stealing lands and then proposing peace deals that involve the other side just "accepting" the status quo, and then balking at the failure, is not diplomacy. It needs to be sincere and it needs to enable Palestinian freedom. Not just freedoms, but sovereignty.



The intent behind this sort of rhetoric and hyperbole is what prevents diplomacy from succeeding.
It about acknowledging that there is nothing special about Gaza. They aren't any worse off. And that no war crimes tribunals are going to happen. At best this is a civil war. So is Syria, so is Yemen. So why do the Palestinians deserve special treatment? Why is their crises so much worse than any other?

When the massive Migrant crisis occured, mainly due to Muslim on Muslim violence, the only blame was on the West for not doing more. Its ridiculous. They are the aughors of their own misfortune.

I have no sympathy for them. They dondeserve it.
 

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I believe that some posters may honestly not recognize that "from the river to the sea" means elimination of israel. One would think they would recognize their profound lack of knowledge and information on such a complex subject. They barge into it and then find their bubble in the sea of information and propaganda and all of a sudden someone who started out like a normal person becomes radicalized before our eyes. It's quite educational.

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And they so masterfully turn a blind eye to the fact that pushing the pro-palestine agenda is helping the worst people politically right now. They will not help Palestinians but they help Trump, Putin and Iran. They deny it because it's so uncomfortable and stupid, but it's also profoundly sad.
Actually I think it may be the opposite. Posters like gryphon and his friends would like to convince people that “from the river to the sea” means something much more benign then it really is with a view to somehow sanitizing the murderous intentions of Hamas and other such organizations.
 

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No. That is a joke.

You've never said that you've never killed dogs for fun.

That is proof that you have.
I've never killed dogs, for fun or any other reason.
See? Its easy.

So why the fuck can't you say its wrong to kill Palestinian children?
I ask you almost every day here and you can't say it.

Because you do support killing Palestinian children, you clearly think they are 'vermin' and can't bring yourself to make a simple statement otherwise.

 
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Actually I think it may be the opposite. Posters like gryphon and his friends would like to convince people that “from the river to the sea” means something much more benign then it really is with a view to somehow sanitizing the murderous intentions of Hamas and other such organizations.
Its in the Likud charter.
So why is that ok but its racist when Palestinians say it?
 
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Your use of "Zionist" is clear, you mean all Jews everywhere.

If this were a moderated debate, you'd be kicked off the stage. Not necessarily for hate speech but because your illogical conclusions are laughable and would be an insult to the moderator's and audience's intelligence. You pull these things out of thin air that are Bizarro world.
No, shack, because I clearly state that there are lots of Jewish groups that aren't zionist
IfNotNow
IJVCanada
Jewsforpeace
B'tselem

Its easy for me to point to Jewish groups I support.
You can't point to any Palestinian you don't want dead, including children.

You sound like this guy.
 
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