Israel at war

mandrill

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And the Israelis killed 3000 Palestinians. In 2018, a peaceful march to the fence, caused the Israeli snipers to kill Palestinians. Just for walking toward the fence in protest. The Israelis have subjected the Palestinians to 10 times the violence that the Palestinians have subjected the Israelis to, in any conflict, over the last 75 years and continue to do so. So go cry somewhere else about how outraged you are by a pro-Palestinian supporter exercising their freedom of speech IN CANADA, to simply call for civil uprising in a land 10,000 miles away from Canada, so that justice can be done.



Not true. A lot of Jews and Muslims, in Israel and Palestine fundamentally want to live with equal rights and security. So take baby steps. You don't have to do it tomorrow. But may be Gaza and West Bank can be autonomous regions governed by the PA, with representatives in the federal Israeli government. Point is equal rights in some way shape or form. There are options. Now we need the political will to explore and exercise them. Once oppressive measures are lifted, both the Jews and Muslims will automatically come together over a period of time. After all these 2 groups of people used to live right next to each other, before Zionism and the associated violence, was foisted upon the land by the colonial powers.
Actually, the Arabs repeatedly attacked the Jews and tried to exterminate them. The Jews defended themselves and repeatedly won.

But that doesn't fit with the ludicrous "colonial" narrative.
 

mandrill

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The argument doesn't matter. Right now there is a country called Israel with millions Jews living there. If Muslims can take it back, go ahead to and do it.
Clearly someone who wants coexistence between Palestinians and Jews. (Sic).

This is the thinking of many Muslims and simply underlines the problem.
 

mandrill

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If you believe that, you just destroyed the zionist argument that this is their homeland and they are entitled to it.
Actually, he simply repeated my argument that the issue of returning the Palestinians to their "homeland" - i.e. where their grandparents once lived, way back at a time when only nonagenarians can remember - is long gone and dead and everyone should just move on.

The Israelis happen to be there right now and are not going anywhere. So it's defacto their land.

You misunderstood the reference to Carthage.

Thank you, Paprika.
 

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Nooo really?

UK doctor who worked at Shifa confirms Gaza hospital used for ‘non-medical purposes’

‘There was a part I wasn’t to go near, and if I did, I’d be in danger of being shot,’ says physician, describing an atmosphere of ‘collective paranoia’ and ‘genuine fear’ of Hamas

A British doctor who used to work at Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest medical center, under which the IDF says Hamas operates a major command and control base, has confirmed that there were areas of the hospital where he could not go, or else he would be shot.

In a recent interview with the English-language channel of French broadcaster France24, the doctor, who declined to give his name for fear of endangering his colleagues in Gaza, said he had worked at Shifa and other hospitals in Gaza and the West Bank for three months, three years ago.

“When I was first asked to work there [at Shifa], I was told there was a part of the hospital I was not to go near, and if I did, I’d be in danger of being shot,” he was quoted as saying.

“Was it explained to you why that was?” asked journalist Irris Makler in the recorded conversation.

“No, but implicit was that it was being used for non-medical purposes,” replied the doctor.

 

mandrill

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Actually that did not happen either. The Jews formed militias and massacred the Arabs the most famous of which was the Deir Yassin massacre. But of course that doesn't fit into your "poor Jewish victims always trying to survive" narrative.
It is untrue that only nonagenarians remember Palestinian history because I literally linked a documentary with video of Arab Muslims living in Israel from those days. So it is out there for all of us to see. Secondly, going by your argument these Palestinians have more claim to the land than a bunch of Europeans whose ancestors supposedly lived in the land 2000 years ago, because God bestowed the land to his chosen people. Now THAT is ludicrous.
You completely misunderstood my argument.
 

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Oh lordy, back to the same argument.

As in: 'we made all the Palestinians really, really mad at us by bombing the shit out of them over and over again and forcing them to live in a concentration camp so now we think they are too angry to be let out'.

Its so fucked.

Israel has to end the blockade, apartheid and occupation.
Israel needs to give all Palestinians full citizenship and the vote.

And stop this shite.
Oh lordy, back to the same argument.

Like in imagine if Palestine under the leadership of Hamas wasn't lobbying missiles into Israel and instead lived in harmony as a good neighbor how much better off they would have been?

Hamas needs to give back all the hostages
Stop lobbying missiles into Israel,
Hamas surrender and STOP ALL THEIR SHITE!
 
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mandrill

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Quite simply, you cannot oppress and dehumanize a people for decades and expect for there to be no terrorism. For us they are terrorists, for them they are freedom fighters. So to nip the terrorism in the bud, the oppression needs to end. Once and for all. I can guarantee you that in the last 1 month alone, Israel has probably created many, 1000s of terrorists.
Tell that to the mother whose baby was roasted in an oven by HAMAS on 7 October.

What kind of human being are you ffs?!
 
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