Israel at war

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718670100180475981

 

[Klatuu]

You are part of a tiny, angry, racist group.

Israels loss of status continues to unfold.

 

[DinkleMouse]

The only lesson that Israel learns is that they have to keep hitting back harder until the fruitless attacks must stop. Failure to learn that is the epitome of stupidity.

Can you name a time in history when the strategy you're proposing Israel employs has been successful? I can't. In fact, every time I can think of this strategy being used, it's only made things worse.

Besides, you're basically proposing the same strategy Israel has been employing for decades: hitting back harder and harder. Israel has proven that for every Israeli citizen killed by Hamas, they will kill multitudes of Palestinians. Yet Hamas' power hasn't waned. As I said above, Israel's strategy of hit harder than we get hit has made Hamas stronger and increased support for them amongst Palestinians.

Is there a reason you think if they keep hitting harder and harder it will eventually work when that has not had the desired effect up until now? And unless you can name when this worked in history, is there any reason why you think this strategy will work for Israel when it's never worked for anyone else?

 

[toguy5252]

Can you name a time in history when the strategy you're proposing Israel employs has been successful? I can't. In fact, every time I can think of this strategy being used, it's only made things worse.

Besides, you're basically proposing the same strategy Israel has been employing for decades: hitting back harder and harder. Israel has proven that for every Israeli citizen killed by Hamas, they will kill multitudes of Palestinians. Yet Hamas' power hasn't waned. As I said above, Israel's strategy of hit harder than we get hit has made Hamas stronger and increased support for them amongst Palestinians.

Is there a reason you think if they keep hitting harder and harder it will eventually work when that has not had the desired effect up until now? And unless you can name when this worked in history, is there any reason why you think this strategy will work for Israel when it's never worked for anyone else?

What strategy would you propose?

 

[Klatuu]

Absolutely unbelievable

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718550348611170614

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718679665286492531

 

[Butler1000]

The Middle East images on the news are horrifying. Israel has initiated its ground offensive. Its going to be an intense battle, with terrible losses of life on both sides.

Hamas is constantly releasing videos of the death and destruction caused by the Israeli attacks. I would like all the videos of the Oct. 7 attack released to the public, so that the world will see exactly what extreme war crimes Hamas was guilty of, and why Israel’s retaliation is so severe. Hamas is clearly winning the propaganda war.

Hezbollah is already involved in small attacks on US forces in the region, with the US retaliating on a small scale. Iran is backing both Hezbollah and Hamas. I fear that this could get extremely ugly with escalating hostilities between the US and the Arab countries in the region, not to mention Turkey, and even Russia, if the US were to attack Iran. Even China is now getting involved, blaming Israel for the hostilities, and even the Jews in the Western world for their support of Israel.

In my opinion Israel has gotten more than enough payback for Oct. 7. I do not feel there is any positive outcome possible from more hostilities. In fact I feel that the longer it goes on the more the hostilities will spread, with potential for a wide-spread war involving many countries.

I do not believe Hamas can be defeated without unacceptable Israeli soldier casualties, and the Arab children are so indoctrinated against the Israelis that there will be more Hamas recruits for generations to come.

It is time for a cease fire, and serious negotiations, when the emotions have settled down, for a 2 state solution that accepts Israel’s right to exist, and gives the Palestinians their own land, without the apartheid they have had to endure for many years. Of course this will require a much more moderate government to be in power in Israel for this to be achieved. Netanyahu must go.

I realize that I have changed my views from being optimistic for a victory over Hamas, to a more realistic one, in my opinion, that Hamas cannot be eradicated. A mutually acceptable and peaceful 2 state solution must finally be found...

Except they won't accept a 2 state solution. Ever.

This is only going to end with a winner.

 

[shack]

Ben Shapiro's 2000 year biblical history of how Jews used to live there, neither means anything for the present day situation in Israel nor justifies the creation of Israel in the first place.

At its face value, you are correct. However, it is a fair counterpoint to the many Palestinians who claim to have the right to the land based on ancient history.

It's the same argument but coming from the other side.

Where is the proper starting point in time? I don't think it's been established.

 

[Butler1000]

Can you name a time in history when the strategy you're proposing Israel employs has been successful? I can't. In fact, every time I can think of this strategy being used, it's only made things worse.

Besides, you're basically proposing the same strategy Israel has been employing for decades: hitting back harder and harder. Israel has proven that for every Israeli citizen killed by Hamas, they will kill multitudes of Palestinians. Yet Hamas' power hasn't waned. As I said above, Israel's strategy of hit harder than we get hit has made Hamas stronger and increased support for them amongst Palestinians.

Is there a reason you think if they keep hitting harder and harder it will eventually work when that has not had the desired effect up until now? And unless you can name when this worked in history, is there any reason why you think this strategy will work for Israel when it's never worked for anyone else?

The correct solution is not to stop until there is unconditional surrender. Ceasefires don't work, negotiated settlements don't work. Just delay things. The animosity festers and grows.

Pretty much the Sri Lankin example is the one needed here imo.

 

[Klatuu]

Israeli decided to escalate and bomb Lebanon deeper than before. Hezbollah responded in kind and hit an Israeli city, Kiryat Shimona

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718665726188212332

 

[shack]

You are part of a tiny, angry, racist group.

The vast majority of people here are denigrating YOU and your views.
You are on the fringes.

 

[Not getting younger]

Where does Nazi Germany come into the picture here? Where is the comparison? How do you know they wont keep the peace if solutions are found? So nothing has worked till now, because of mistakes on BOTH sides, so what shall we do now? Keep doing the same things that dont work and haven't worked or pursue something both sides can agree to?

You don’t know that peace has lasted?

“you don’t know”
Nor do you. But what does history tell you. As I said, you can’t point to anything that suggest yet another peace agreement will last. Do you have anything, anything at all. Thats suggest this time it will and Hamas, any other terrorist group in the area, or state will abide by it.

And what do you propose Israel do if history repeats itself.

 

[shack]

The Palestinians are not making that demand based on ancient history, but based on 100 year history, where they were the majority in the region. However this is still in the past. The proper starting point is ideally, today. May be 1967.

How about 1948 when the U.N. decided the borders? That sounds like the most fair date.

Israel acquired those borders by negotiated world consensus. No violence/force was involved.

 

[shack]

Can you name a time in history when the strategy you're proposing Israel employs has been successful?

Every single time.

If their strategy would not have worked, they'd have been driven into the sea with each Arab attack.

The Israelis are not dinks.

A better question would be, when has the Palestinian strategy been successful? Which aggression furthered their cause?

 

[Not getting younger]

I chuckle at people who espouse self determination. Bit think it’s up to us,/them or we have the right to tell Israel what to do.

1967
The last Israel said “enough” and tried something different.

 

[DinkleMouse]

What strategy would you propose?

None; I don't believe any strategy will achieve the objective shack has proposed, therefore I can't propose one that would achieve it. But I do think that the strategy shack has proposed actively moves further away from the objective. While I don't believe any strategy will stop the attacks against Israel completely, I believe the strategy shack has proposed will actually increase them.

 

[DinkleMouse]

Every time. If their strategy would not have worked, they'd have been driven into the sea with each Arab attack.

The Israelis are not dinks.

If the strategy worked, there would be no more attacks. That was the objective you stated. The fact that there are ongoing attacks proves the strategy didn't work.

 

[Butler1000]

Except culture matters. The LTTE were predominantly Hindus.

The Islamic world does not work that way. The more the war, the more the death and destruction, the more they will actively seek it, because it is a martyrdom culture. Hence, DM is right. It will enable them, instead of discouraging them.

You just killed your own argument.

They do actively seek it. Life is cheap. And Martyrdom is preferable to peace. Offer war they accept, offer peace, you are weak.

They won't stop.

 

[shack]

How do you know they wont keep the peace if solutions are found?

Seeing as they've broken every treaty and accord that has been agreed to, it is a very reasonable assumption.

Which agreements has Israel unilaterally broken without Arab aggression preceding it?

 

[Butler1000]

Seriously, the best negotiating teams the world have tried to bring things around. And failed. You guy think you can do better?