Israel at war

[Butler1000]

I just don't think this is a realistic take given the dynamics over there.

Why didn't the Italian Americans get rid of the mafia in NYC that terrorized their own people? It took the US government to go in and they did so only because the mafia began taking over too many legitimate institutions.

Why haven't Black Americans risen up and dismantled the Bloods and Crips and other gangs that infest urban neighborhoods that cause nothing but pain, suffering, and fear to all law abiding Black residents?

The examples above are small fry compared to the situation overseas, where the people are not only fearful but have to choose between two groups that treat them like garbage - Hamas & the Israeli government. They get rid of Hamas, the Israeli government will still piss on them (figuratively and literally). If they just go on trying to live, they do so under Hamas rule which is no better.

Perhaps a better analogy would be Germans citizens that stood up to Hitler's rise to dictatorship. We know what happened to them.

And this is why the IDF have to go in.

Life isn't always fair. But standing back and doing nothing is not an option either.

 

[mellowjello]

So, if they claim to have shown it to 200 journalists, but haven’t. Pretty easy lie to get caught in. No? That would be an incredibly stupid lie. No?

nor have you really answered why you need to see such depravity in gruesome detail.

I can't speak on any of this because I don't know.
There are a lot of incredibly stupid lies being told, some people believe them some don't.
Some people get caught but don't own up to it
I don't believe anything coming out of Netanyahu, his government, or the U.S. State Department.
I don't believe anything from Hamas either, but I can see what's happening to the Palestinians....for years.

 

[squeezer]

Props to Piers for bringing multiple voices on though.

Piers has been very calm, bringing folks from each side and allowing them to at times berate him yet still being respectful in return.

 

[shack]

His behaviour is similar to Indian housewife aunty's from the 70s. Everyday after their men go to work, and the children go to school, the women in the neighbourhood would gather, and while chopping up the onions and veggies for lunch, they'd talk trash about everybody in the neighbourhood, who aren't around, giving new meaning to the old adage "Women talk".

AKA, bubbe meise.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So, if they claim to have shown it to 200 journalists, but haven’t. Pretty easy lie to get caught in. No? That would be an incredibly stupid lie. No?

Thats exactly why they invited 200 journalists to see the video. Probably from both right-wing and left-wing news outlets.
You might get a dozen journalists to lie for you, but there's no way 200 are going to lie.

I believe Israel might still release the video at a latter date. We shall see

 

[Anbarandy]

The Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals has been pleading for deliveries of fuel for a while now.

Question:

Has the Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals pleaded with Hamas to share their hidden cashes of Hamas fuel with them?

Have they knocked on the Hamas tunnel doors and said, "Hamas, this is the Hamas Ministry of Health, we are here with doctors from the Hamas hospitals, give us some of your Hamas fuel stash"?

Why is Hamas hording fuel?

 

[squeezer]

Go to the 6:32 mark to hear what a journalist was shown firsthand of the brutality of Oct. 7

 

[Robert Mugabe]

The Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals has been pleading for deliveries of fuel for a while now.

Question:

Has the Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals pleaded with Hamas to share their hidden cashes of Hamas fuel with them?

Have they knocked on the Hamas tunnel doors and said, "Hamas, this is the Hamas Ministry of Health, we are here with doctors from the Hamas hospitals, give us some of your Hamas fuel stash"?

Why is Hamas hording fuel?

 

[shack]

Piers has been very calm, bringing folks from each side and allowing them to at times berate him yet still being respectful in return.

He did conduct and interesting interview.

And not that I agreed with everything Cenk said, at least he had the morality to specifically condemn the terrorist attack of Oct. 7 and the atrocities committed and call Hamas and the attack disgusting. Something I keep asking frank to do yet he does not have the morality to do so. He can only display his moral turpitude and justifies the attack.

He is probably disgusted by Cenk's comments in that regard.

 

[mellowjello]

So, if they claim to have shown it to 200 journalists, but haven’t. Pretty easy lie to get caught in. No? That would be an incredibly stupid lie. No?

nor have you really answered why you need to see such depravity in gruesome detail.

He did conduct and interesting interview.

And not that I agreed with everything Cenk said, at least he had the morality to specifically condemn the terrorist attack of Oct. 7 and the atrocities committed and call Hamas and the attack disgusting. Something I keep asking frank to do yet he does not have the morality to do so. He can only display his moral turpitude and justifies the attack.

He is probably disgusted by Cenk's comments in that regard.

Is he as disgusted as you are by this, you still haven't commented.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715970219804664131

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Go to the 6:32 mark to hear what a journalist was shown firsthand of the brutality of Oct. 7

Absolutely shocked to be giving squeezer a like on his post

 

[Frankfooter]

The Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals has been pleading for deliveries of fuel for a while now.

Question:

Has the Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals pleaded with Hamas to share their hidden cashes of Hamas fuel with them?

Have they knocked on the Hamas tunnel doors and said, "Hamas, this is the Hamas Ministry of Health, we are here with doctors from the Hamas hospitals, give us some of your Hamas fuel stash"?

Why is Hamas hording fuel?

No power in hospitals.
More babies will die.
Congrats on your holy work.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716586150205206759

 

[Frankfooter]

AKA, bubbe meise.

 

[squeezer]

Absolutely shocked to be giving squeezer a like on his post

Aw come on man, now I gotta go shower!!! WTF!!!!

 

[mellowjello]

Thats exactly why they invited 200 journalists to see the video. Probably from both right-wing and left-wing news outlets.
You might get a dozen journalists to lie for you, but there's no way 200 are going to lie.

I believe Israel might still release the video at a latter date. We shall see

Where's that Tapper report?

 

[Frankfooter]

New coalition for peace.

Ceasefire Now

ceasefirenow.ca

Signatories:



350 Canada

Alternatives

Arab Canadian Lawyers Association

Asian Canadian Labour Alliance - Ontario

Asian Canadian Women Alliance

Association of Palestinian Arab Canadians (APAC)

Association québécoise des organismes de coopération internationale (AQOCI)

Atlantic Regional Solidarity Network

Black Lives Matter - Canada

Canada Stand Up for Palestinian Children’s Rights

Canadian Boat to Gaza

Canadian Council for Refugees / Conseil canadien pour les réfugiés

Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

Canadian Friends of Sabeel

Canadian Friends Service Committee (Quakers)

Canadian Palestinian Professional Foundation

Canadian Palestinian Social Association of London

Canadian Union of Postal Workers / Syndicat des travailleurs et travailleuses des postes

Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) Ontario / Syndicat canadien de la fonction publique (SCFP) Ontario

Canadian Voice of Women for Peace

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

Centre international de solidarité ouvrière (CISO)

Le CIBLES - Carrefour international bas-laurentien pour l'engagement social

Climate Emergency Unit

Coalition of Canadian Palestinian Organizations

Conseil central du Montréal métropolitain CSN

Conseil régional Montréal métropolitain FTQ

Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada

Fédération autonome de l’enseignement FAE

Femmes en Mouvement du Québec

Front d’action populaire en réaménagement urbain (FRAPRU)

Health Providers Against Poverty

Hearing Palestine

Independent Jewish Voices Canada

International Coalition For Human Rights in the Philippines Canada

Iranian Canadian Congress

Jewish Faculty Network

Maquila Solidarity Network

Montréal pour un monde sans guerre

Le Mouvement d'éducation populaire et d'action communautaire du Québec (MÉPACQ)

National Council of Canadian Muslims

National Union of Public and General Employees

Oblates Franciscaines de Saint-Joseph

Palestine Network, Shining Waters

PalNet Pacific

People for Peace, London

Progress Toronto

Public Service Alliance of Canada / L’Alliance de la Fonction publique du Canada

Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montreal, Social Action Office

Science for Peace

Soeurs Auxiliatrices, Québec

South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario

SWO KAIROS

Table ronde des organismes volontaires d’éducation Populaire de l’Outaouais

Unifor

The United Church of Canada

United Jewish People’s Order

United Network for Justice and Peace in Palestine and Israel

Urban Alliance on Race Relations

World Beyond War

Wildseed Centre for Art & Activism

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Aw come on man, now I gotta go shower!!! WTF!!!!

You were due for your weekly shower anyways

 

[shack]

Is he as disgusted as you are by this, you still haven't commented.

I'm a pacifist. I had a few fights as a kid that were wrestling matches in public school, but in all honesty, I've never been in a fight where I punched a person, in my life. I abhor violence even though I do enjoy a good boxing match.

So yes all the killing on either side is disgusting.

However, at the risk of sounding like frank, the killing of civilians done by Hamas is different than what Israel is doing based on circumstance.

The Israelis were just living their normal lives going to festivals and spending time with their families. Hamas could have totally avoided them and gone after military targets if that was their intent. And yet they went after the civilians and they did so with such brutally and with relish. Beheading and/or burning babies as the journalists have seen on video. That was what they planned all along. How is that going to weaken Israel, their occupiers, and ease their oppression?

I think we can all agree that an Israeli reaction was a certainty. But when Israel properly goes after Hamas, the perpetrators, which the Gazans most definitely were not, Hamas hides among those civilians, launches their weapons from civilian buildings and hospitals etc., it puts Israel in a very untenable position. How is Israel supposed to avoid the civilians as easily as Hamas had a chance to? And I'm sure you're not going to see beheadings of children and seniors by Israeli boots on the ground.

So all the deaths of innocent civilians is sickening, but I hope you understand my point of view that those casualties were more avoidable by Hamas than what Israel is faced with.

So, a question for you: What should Israel's response be? How do they attempt to eliminate the terrorists, which I hope you agree with like Cenk did, when the terrorists hide among civilians and use them as shields without civilians being casualties of war? What is a proper response from Israel in an effort to eliminate the terrorists.?

Another question: Do you consider the attack of Oct. 7 an act of terrorism and do you condemn it?

I have tried to be measured and non-inflammatory in this post without spewing venom and hate and trying not to get into a nasty war of words and I hope you can respond in a similar tone.

 

[shapeup1]

WARMINGTON: So much for a boycott. Cafe Landwer packed on Monday

Kevin Vuong sat in the same booth where a woman was harassed by a pro-Palestinian protester urging a boycott of this Jewish restaurant.

torontosun.com

I read that, they're going after Jews, that's what they do. Barbaric. Just shows you this about religion hatred not land. They don't want a state they want the Jews dead. I'm sure the non Jewish customers will remember this.

Toronto mayor condemns pro-Palestinian protest that 'targeted' Jewish-owned restaurant

 

[basketcase]

Even the NDP has ditched their MPP for her Franky-like opinions.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/jama-ndp-caucus-1.7005056

Nothing wrong with promoting peace. Plenty wrong with trying to justify Hamas.