Israel at war

mellowjello

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So, if they claim to have shown it to 200 journalists, but haven’t. Pretty easy lie to get caught in. No? That would be an incredibly stupid lie. No?

nor have you really answered why you need to see such depravity in gruesome detail.
He did conduct and interesting interview.

And not that I agreed with everything Cenk said, at least he had the morality to specifically condemn the terrorist attack of Oct. 7 and the atrocities committed and call Hamas and the attack disgusting. Something I keep asking frank to do yet he does not have the morality to do so. He can only display his moral turpitude and justifies the attack.

He is probably disgusted by Cenk's comments in that regard.
Is he as disgusted as you are by this, you still haven't commented.

 
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The Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals has been pleading for deliveries of fuel for a while now.

Question:

Has the Hamas Ministry of Health and Hamas hospitals pleaded with Hamas to share their hidden cashes of Hamas fuel with them?

Have they knocked on the Hamas tunnel doors and said, "Hamas, this is the Hamas Ministry of Health, we are here with doctors from the Hamas hospitals, give us some of your Hamas fuel stash"?

Why is Hamas hording fuel?
No power in hospitals.
More babies will die.
Congrats on your holy work.

 

mellowjello

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Thats exactly why they invited 200 journalists to see the video. Probably from both right-wing and left-wing news outlets.
You might get a dozen journalists to lie for you, but there's no way 200 are going to lie.

I believe Israel might still release the video at a latter date. We shall see
Where's that Tapper report?
 
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New coalition for peace.


Signatories:



350 Canada

Alternatives

Arab Canadian Lawyers Association

Asian Canadian Labour Alliance - Ontario

Asian Canadian Women Alliance

Association of Palestinian Arab Canadians (APAC)

Association québécoise des organismes de coopération internationale (AQOCI)

Atlantic Regional Solidarity Network

Black Lives Matter - Canada

Canada Stand Up for Palestinian Children’s Rights

Canadian Boat to Gaza

Canadian Council for Refugees / Conseil canadien pour les réfugiés

Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives

Canadian Friends of Sabeel

Canadian Friends Service Committee (Quakers)

Canadian Palestinian Professional Foundation

Canadian Palestinian Social Association of London

Canadian Union of Postal Workers / Syndicat des travailleurs et travailleuses des postes

Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) Ontario / Syndicat canadien de la fonction publique (SCFP) Ontario

Canadian Voice of Women for Peace

Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

Centre international de solidarité ouvrière (CISO)

Le CIBLES - Carrefour international bas-laurentien pour l'engagement social

Climate Emergency Unit

Coalition of Canadian Palestinian Organizations

Conseil central du Montréal métropolitain CSN

Conseil régional Montréal métropolitain FTQ

Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada

Fédération autonome de l’enseignement FAE

Femmes en Mouvement du Québec

Front d’action populaire en réaménagement urbain (FRAPRU)

Health Providers Against Poverty

Hearing Palestine

Independent Jewish Voices Canada

International Coalition For Human Rights in the Philippines Canada

Iranian Canadian Congress

Jewish Faculty Network

Maquila Solidarity Network

Montréal pour un monde sans guerre

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National Council of Canadian Muslims

National Union of Public and General Employees

Oblates Franciscaines de Saint-Joseph

Palestine Network, Shining Waters

PalNet Pacific

People for Peace, London

Progress Toronto

Public Service Alliance of Canada / L’Alliance de la Fonction publique du Canada

Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Montreal, Social Action Office

Science for Peace

Soeurs Auxiliatrices, Québec

South Asian Legal Clinic of Ontario

SWO KAIROS

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shack

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Is he as disgusted as you are by this, you still haven't commented.
I'm a pacifist. I had a few fights as a kid that were wrestling matches in public school, but in all honesty, I've never been in a fight where I punched a person, in my life. I abhor violence even though I do enjoy a good boxing match.

So yes all the killing on either side is disgusting.

However, at the risk of sounding like frank, the killing of civilians done by Hamas is different than what Israel is doing based on circumstance.

The Israelis were just living their normal lives going to festivals and spending time with their families. Hamas could have totally avoided them and gone after military targets if that was their intent. And yet they went after the civilians and they did so with such brutally and with relish. Beheading and/or burning babies as the journalists have seen on video. That was what they planned all along. How is that going to weaken Israel, their occupiers, and ease their oppression?

I think we can all agree that an Israeli reaction was a certainty. But when Israel properly goes after Hamas, the perpetrators, which the Gazans most definitely were not, Hamas hides among those civilians, launches their weapons from civilian buildings and hospitals etc., it puts Israel in a very untenable position. How is Israel supposed to avoid the civilians as easily as Hamas had a chance to? And I'm sure you're not going to see beheadings of children and seniors by Israeli boots on the ground.

So all the deaths of innocent civilians is sickening, but I hope you understand my point of view that those casualties were more avoidable by Hamas than what Israel is faced with.

So, a question for you: What should Israel's response be? How do they attempt to eliminate the terrorists, which I hope you agree with like Cenk did, when the terrorists hide among civilians and use them as shields without civilians being casualties of war? What is a proper response from Israel in an effort to eliminate the terrorists.?

Another question: Do you consider the attack of Oct. 7 an act of terrorism and do you condemn it?

I have tried to be measured and non-inflammatory in this post without spewing venom and hate and trying not to get into a nasty war of words and I hope you can respond in a similar tone.
 
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I read that, they're going after Jews, that's what they do. Barbaric. Just shows you this about religion hatred not land. They don't want a state they want the Jews dead. I'm sure the non Jewish customers will remember this.

Toronto mayor condemns pro-Palestinian protest that 'targeted' Jewish-owned restaurant

 

shapeup1

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No wonder they took so many hostages.

The terrorists' confessions: We beheaded people, set fire to houses with people inside

Interrogations reveal Hamas offered $10,000 and an apartment to anyone who abducted an Israeli to Gaza.

The Shin Bet and Israel Police published a joint statement this evening (Monday) summarizing the results of the investigation so far into the Hamas massacre of over 1,400 people in southern Israel on October 7, Simchat Torah.

The investigation revealed how Hamas encouraged the murder of men, women, and children of all ages, as well as the taking of hostages back to Gaza.

From the interrogation of six terrorists who were captured in the wake of the massacre, it was discovered that Hamas offered significant financial incentives to anyone who successfully kidnapped an Israeli, with abductors promised $10,000 and a free apartment.

The detainees also stated that "the instructions were to kidnap elderly women and children," and "to clear the houses, and kidnap as many prisoners as possible."

One detainee described how he shot a dog in one of his victims' houses. Another described how he and his fellow terrorists grabbed a 15-year-old girl from her home and took a selfie with their captive before putting her on a motorcycle to Gaza.

One detainee said: "There was a body lying on the floor, I shot her. The commander shouted at me why I was wasting bullets on her body. We finished killing and then before we finished we burned down two houses with their occupants inside."

 
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Video catches Hamas shooting at anyone driving by at intersection. Barberic

Thankfully Israel has enough humanity not to broadcast images of the children Hamas butchered but they did show them to media.
 

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This stuff's happening on both sides but it doesn't prove the other assertions.
I still haven't found anything on CNN.
Can you dig it up?
Is Oct 7 denial going to be a new form of racism?

Hamas set out intentionally to butcher as many people as they could and sickeningly were wearing go pros to celebrate their actions.
 
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shapeup1

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Even the NDP has ditched their MPP for her Franky-like opinions.


Nothing wrong with promoting peace. Plenty wrong with trying to justify Hamas.
She had it coming, they had warnings about her even before they took her. But Styles promised it was going to be all ok. Ok my ass, she's Jew hater

Hamilton legislator kicked out of Ontario NDP caucus, censured by legislature


TORONTO — A rookie Ontario legislator was kicked out of the New Democratic caucus Monday, moments before Premier Doug Ford's Progressive Conservatives effectively silenced her in the legislature over comments she made about the Israel-Hamas war.

Ontario NDP Leader Marit Stiles had originally defended Sarah Jama after she issued an apology for her initial statement. But she said Monday that while she and Jama had agreed they would work together "in good faith with no surprises," she was unaware Jama was going to speak in the legislature against the motion earlier in the day.

"I had to make a very difficult decision this morning," Stiles said.

"Ms. Jama has taken a number of unilateral actions that have broken and undermined the collective work of your Ontario NDP Official Opposition ... MPP Jama has chosen not to work with us as a team and so we've had to remove her from the caucus."

Two weeks ago, Jama came under fire for a post she made decrying the "occupation of Palestine," but did not mention the attack by Hamas militants on Israeli civilians on Oct. 7.

In response, the Progressive Conservative government slammed Jama and tabled a motion that authorizes the Speaker not to recognize her in the House until she retracts her original statement and apologizes in the legislature. It prevents her from participating in debates, but she would still be able to vote.

The motion passed Monday, with the newly independent Jama and the New Democrats voting against what Stiles called a "really egregious motion." The Speaker's office said he would uphold the will of the House.

 

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Is he as disgusted as you are by this, you still haven't commented.

Are you asking me that? If so why are you deflecting? From both inviting 200 journalists to see, and your own depraved need to see images most people wouldn’t. Given you’ve made it clear, unless you see with own eyes. Nothing anyone says.

Because frankly. Israel inviting 200 journalist to see them and just them, and not allowing them to record it to splash it all over the news for the morbid ghouls. Is the classy and moral thing..
 
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