Israel at war

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No wonder they took so many hostages.

The terrorists' confessions: We beheaded people, set fire to houses with people inside

Interrogations reveal Hamas offered $10,000 and an apartment to anyone who abducted an Israeli to Gaza.

The Shin Bet and Israel Police published a joint statement this evening (Monday) summarizing the results of the investigation so far into the Hamas massacre of over 1,400 people in southern Israel on October 7, Simchat Torah.

The investigation revealed how Hamas encouraged the murder of men, women, and children of all ages, as well as the taking of hostages back to Gaza.

From the interrogation of six terrorists who were captured in the wake of the massacre, it was discovered that Hamas offered significant financial incentives to anyone who successfully kidnapped an Israeli, with abductors promised $10,000 and a free apartment.

The detainees also stated that "the instructions were to kidnap elderly women and children," and "to clear the houses, and kidnap as many prisoners as possible."

One detainee described how he shot a dog in one of his victims' houses. Another described how he and his fellow terrorists grabbed a 15-year-old girl from her home and took a selfie with their captive before putting her on a motorcycle to Gaza.

One detainee said: "There was a body lying on the floor, I shot her. The commander shouted at me why I was wasting bullets on her body. We finished killing and then before we finished we burned down two houses with their occupants inside."

 
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Video catches Hamas shooting at anyone driving by at intersection. Barberic

Thankfully Israel has enough humanity not to broadcast images of the children Hamas butchered but they did show them to media.
 

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This stuff's happening on both sides but it doesn't prove the other assertions.
I still haven't found anything on CNN.
Can you dig it up?
Is Oct 7 denial going to be a new form of racism?

Hamas set out intentionally to butcher as many people as they could and sickeningly were wearing go pros to celebrate their actions.
 
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Even the NDP has ditched their MPP for her Franky-like opinions.


Nothing wrong with promoting peace. Plenty wrong with trying to justify Hamas.
She had it coming, they had warnings about her even before they took her. But Styles promised it was going to be all ok. Ok my ass, she's Jew hater

Hamilton legislator kicked out of Ontario NDP caucus, censured by legislature


TORONTO — A rookie Ontario legislator was kicked out of the New Democratic caucus Monday, moments before Premier Doug Ford's Progressive Conservatives effectively silenced her in the legislature over comments she made about the Israel-Hamas war.

Ontario NDP Leader Marit Stiles had originally defended Sarah Jama after she issued an apology for her initial statement. But she said Monday that while she and Jama had agreed they would work together "in good faith with no surprises," she was unaware Jama was going to speak in the legislature against the motion earlier in the day.

"I had to make a very difficult decision this morning," Stiles said.

"Ms. Jama has taken a number of unilateral actions that have broken and undermined the collective work of your Ontario NDP Official Opposition ... MPP Jama has chosen not to work with us as a team and so we've had to remove her from the caucus."

Two weeks ago, Jama came under fire for a post she made decrying the "occupation of Palestine," but did not mention the attack by Hamas militants on Israeli civilians on Oct. 7.

In response, the Progressive Conservative government slammed Jama and tabled a motion that authorizes the Speaker not to recognize her in the House until she retracts her original statement and apologizes in the legislature. It prevents her from participating in debates, but she would still be able to vote.

The motion passed Monday, with the newly independent Jama and the New Democrats voting against what Stiles called a "really egregious motion." The Speaker's office said he would uphold the will of the House.

 

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Is he as disgusted as you are by this, you still haven't commented.

Are you asking me that? If so why are you deflecting? From both inviting 200 journalists to see, and your own depraved need to see images most people wouldn’t. Given you’ve made it clear, unless you see with own eyes. Nothing anyone says.

Because frankly. Israel inviting 200 journalist to see them and just them, and not allowing them to record it to splash it all over the news for the morbid ghouls. Is the classy and moral thing..
 
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I'm a pacifist. I had a few fights as a kid that were wrestling matches in public school, but in all honesty, I've never been in a fight where I punched a person, in my life. I abhor violence even though I do enjoy a good boxing match.

So yes all the killing on either side is disgusting.

However, at the risk of sounding like frank, the killing of civilians done by Hamas is different than what Israel is doing based on circumstance.

The Israelis were just living their normal lives going to festivals and spending time with their families. Hamas could have totally avoided them and gone after military targets if that was their intent. And yet they went after the civilians and they did so with such brutally and with relish. Beheading and/or burning babies as the journalists have seen on video. That was what they planned all along. How is that going to weaken Israel, their occupiers, and ease their oppression?

I think we can all agree that an Israeli reaction was a certainty. But when Israel properly goes after Hamas, the perpetrators, which the Gazans most definitely were not, Hamas hides among those civilians, launches their weapons from civilian buildings and hospitals etc., it puts Israel in a very untenable position. How is Israel supposed to avoid the civilians as easily as Hamas had a chance to? And I'm sure you're not going to see beheadings of children and seniors by Israeli boots on the ground.

So all the deaths of innocent civilians is sickening, but I hope you understand my point of view that those casualties were more avoidable by Hamas than what Israel is faced with.

So, a question for you: What should Israel's response be? How do they attempt to eliminate the terrorists, which I hope you agree with like Cenk did, when the terrorists hide among civilians and use them as shields without civilians being casualties of war? What is a proper response from Israel in an effort to eliminate the terrorists.?

Another question: Do you consider the attack of Oct. 7 an act of terrorism and do you condemn it?

I have tried to be measured and non-inflammatory in this post without spewing venom and hate and trying not to get into a nasty war of words and I hope you can respond in a similar tone.
In general, a proportional response is the right response, be that kill 1 for 1 or 2 for 1 or higher, but there should be a limit. You have to also consider those who are displaced and the amount of destroyed buildings.

Right now I think there are about 3k Palestinian deaths, several hundred thousand displaced and about half of all residential buildings in Gaza destroyed, and food/water/electricity cut off. Israel has exceeded a proportional response IMHO.

Israel will not be able to eliminate Hamas any more than the US was able to eliminate ISIS in Afghanistan. To set that as Israel's goal is to say everyone in Gaza is fair game.
 

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In general, a proportional response is the right response, be that kill 1 for 1 or 2 for 1 or higher, but there should be a limit. You have to also consider those who are displaced and the amount of destroyed buildings.

Right now I think there are about 3k Palestinian deaths, several hundred thousand displaced and about half of all residential buildings in Gaza destroyed, and food/water/electricity cut off. Israel has exceeded a proportional response IMHO.

Israel will not be able to eliminate Hamas any more than the US was able to eliminate ISIS in Afghanistan. To set that as Israel's goal is to say everyone in Gaza is fair game.
5000 dead, 2000 are children, 1000 are women.
50% of all housing is totally destroyed.
No food, no water, no power.

 
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