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Kautilya

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You are really messed up. The pretzel twisting your mind follows to justify your position is just hard to follow.
Its so much easier to say there are laws, just hold everybody to the laws.

How do you morally justify killing so many civilians and now depriving them of food, water and power?

The situation in Gaza gets more dire every day.

Its justified to kill terrorists. Civilian casualties are unfortunate collateral damage. If a country were to only consider civilian casualties they would never be able to act against terrorists! Apply the law etc are empty statements here. How does that even play out?
 

Frankfooter

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Who would you propose Israel negiotiate with? It's not like Israeli PMs haven't tried this path already and those PMs didn't have a massacre of this magnitude to look past to forge any kind of lasting peace, which feels millions of miles away at this point.
Palestinians.
Negotiate with Palestinians.

Israeli PM's have had massacres this big before, though they've now killed more than they did during 2014, 2018 and 2021.
But you may have a point, Israel won't negotiate with Palestinians and if they do it would likely be a repeat of Oslo, which only lead to half a million more settlers in Palestine.

Instead its time for the international community to force Israel to end apartheid through sanctions.
End apartheid, the occupation and the blockade.

This is the path to end the violence.

 

Frankfooter

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Its justified to kill terrorists. Civilian casualties are unfortunate collateral damage. If a country were to only consider civilian casualties they would never be able to act against terrorists! Apply the law etc are empty statements here. How does that even play out?
So you think if Hamas says Israeli settlers are terrorists they are justified in killing them?
Take your logic to its conclusion.

That's why I back the rule of law, not labelling someone 'terrorist' to justify killing them.
 
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Palestinians.
Negotiate with Palestinians.

Israeli PM's have had massacres this big before, though they've now killed more than they did during 2014, 2018 and 2021.
But you may have a point, Israel won't negotiate with Palestinians and if they do it would likely be a repeat of Oslo, which only lead to half a million more settlers in Palestine.

Instead its time for the international community to force Israel to end apartheid through sanctions.
End apartheid, the occupation and the blockade.

This is the path to end the violence.

Sorry, I, and most of the planet, don;'t consider BDS postings to be honest or truthful. But hey, you do you, you seem to have a lot of friends here.
 

richaceg

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So you think if Hamas says Israeli settlers are terrorists they are justified in killing them?
Take your logic to its conclusion.

That's why I back the rule of law, not labelling someone 'terrorist' to justify killing them.
YOu don't back the rule of law...you back Hamas....somehow you still think their actions are justified....Israel can't remove Hamas without collateral damage....Hamas after all uses civilians as body shields, they uses residential areas as rocket installations...the Palestinians need to remove Hamas...they need to fix the problem they created...
 

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I care as much as I do about Ukraine, North Korea, Haiti, China, and countless other oppressive war torn hellholes. In other words, not at all.

Again, why do you single out this one nation to care about and dismiss the others?
Why do you believe Ukraine was an oppressive torn hellhole until a dictating warlord decided to invade?
 
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Robert Mugabe

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You should go back further.

Prior to 1947 and the zionist movement the mandate of Palestine was a pretty multicultural place, as were most of the countries around them. Beirut was the Paris of the middle east, Iraq had a vibrant Jewish community as did a lot of other Arabic countries.

The zionist movement has been the problem. Not the Jewish people and not Palestinians, but zionism. Its a stupidly 19th century racist colonial movement that has not made Jews or anyone else safer or happier. Stupid ethno states.
So it's all because those greedy cunts wanted their own sovereign state? The audacity.
 
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nottyboi

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Why do you believe Ukraine was an oppressive torn hellhole until a dictating warlord decided to invade?
1. they were passing legislation that oppressed in large minorty. 2. they subverted their own democracy. 3. they renged on a UNSC endorsed peace agreement that the head comedian promised to implement the peace deal. 4. Comedian then did a 180 (maybe bribed or threathend) 5. Ukraine was building up a force to attack Donbas (hint the war against this large force has taken more then a year and is still ongoing) 6. Ukraine refused to maintain its neutral status and wanted to join NATO, which Russia views as a threat. Almost every nation in nato has attacked Russia in its history. We are already hearing the US complaining about a PLA liasion office in Cuba and a Chinese secuirty agreement with effin Samoa. So please don't tell me this is "has no basis bla bla bla" Russia offered to negotiate options, the US said "fuck off go and attack Ukraine if you dare" and so here we are.
 
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Kautilya

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When does a provacation become a terrorist attack in your opinion?
Provocation is not a terrorist attack.

There seems to be a trend where you apply a very low bar, for terrorism to Israel but not the other way around.
 

Kautilya

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I care as much as I do about Ukraine, North Korea, Haiti, China, and countless other oppressive war torn hellholes. In other words, not at all.

Again, why do you single out this one nation to care about and dismiss the others?
I don't dismiss others.
 

Frankfooter

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YOu don't back the rule of law...you back Hamas....somehow you still think their actions are justified....Israel can't remove Hamas without collateral damage....Hamas after all uses civilians as body shields, they uses residential areas as rocket installations...the Palestinians need to remove Hamas...they need to fix the problem they created...
Terrorism generally implies attacks against unarmed civilians for political, religious or some other ideological reason. But it's a highly controversial term that can leave journalists taking sides in a conflict.

You keep backing acts that fit the definition of terrorism then try to justify it by saying Hamas commits terrorism.
I back the law, charge Hamas and the Israeli leadership and stop the killing.


 

Kautilya

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So you think if Hamas says Israeli settlers are terrorists they are justified in killing them?
Take your logic to its conclusion.

That's why I back the rule of law, not labelling someone 'terrorist' to justify killing them.
Hamas IS a terrorist group. They do not have any right to designate anyone as terrorists. Terrorists are designated by legitimate governments, not other terror groups.
 
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xmontrealer

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Someone here explained that they did not storm anything and that it was apparently allowed per the law. I am yet to find that post. So I dont think any resulting violence falls under the terrorism category. However, there were other settler violences that have resulted in needless deaths. Those are definitely terrorist attacks and yes, I support putting one right between the eyes for those assholes too.
As far as I know non-Muslims are allowed to visit the Al-Aqsa mosque, the third holiest site in Islam, under a "status quo" agreement, but are forbidden to pray there.

As the actual site is also an extremely holy one for Jews, known to them as the Temple Mount, located above the Western Wall, and where King Solomon built the first Temple 3,000 years ago, some Jews do try to pray there, which really pisses off the Muslims there. Also Israelis have sometimes tried to prevent Muslims from praying there.

So if large numbers of Jews converge on the site and try to pray there during Jewish holy days the Israeli police get involved to stop the clashes between the Muslims and Jews at the site, and may likely side with the Jews.
 
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