GOP prized informant against Hunter Biden now charged with lying under oath

[mandrill]

Yes, yes......it's political theater. Absolutely. However, are you going to argue that Joe Biden and his family don't have questionable ethics because they know how to use the Joe's; name in foreign business dealings and stay within the law?.

Because of Hunter and Burisma?.... Why would that involve Joe?.... I can see a Ukrainian company putting Hunter in its board and whispering that they had an inside line on the president of the USA. Ukraine is that kind of place. But how that that PROVE that Joe actually cut deals and took bribes?....

(It really doesn't, does it?)

Let's do something else. If I buy a BIG group table at Mar-a-Tasteless, like the folks below, does that mean I have access at some level to Trump or the "Trump team"?..... If it doesn't, why do I buy a $100k table?....



It obviously buys something, doesn't it?

If it buys something, does that mean Trump is corrupt for selling access?.... Even if it does, that's not the same as taking a bribe. It's just access, right?

And that's just politics for rich guys, not corruption?... You're going to agree with this, correct?

So even if some rich guy gave Hunter $100k for a shitty painting, what does that prove?...

 

[bver_hunter]

Now LIV have offered Trump 3 different LIV Golf Rounds this Season. No wonder that this is under investigation as wait for it. the ones funding LIV Golf are the same ones that have invested in Jared Kushner's $2.1 Billion firm:

Report: LIV Golf ties to President Trump under Department of Justice investigation

Report: LIV Golf ties to President Trump under Department of Justice investigation

The relationship between LIV Golf and former President Donald Trump has come under scrutiny by the United States Department of Justice, according to a report from the New York Times.

www.golfdigest.com

But, now as Stormy Daniels and dozens of other women who have accused him of Forced sexual or rape encounters, are not his "Type", he finally has found one who is his type:

 

[WyattEarp]

Proof? Evidence?

Or bullshit?

First, please stop with your aggressive tone. Converse.

Hunter and James Biden have no special qualifications to be operating in several foreign countries that happen to be a hot spot like the Ukraine and a geopolitical competitor like China. It's not difficult to understand why Canadian companies aren't going to pay them millions of dollars.

I believe there was an exchange with Butler, you, I and some other people where we admitted the Biden family business was not "kosher" as they would say. The word "grift" was used by others and I don't remember you objecting in manner.

The Biden family saga might disturb your liberal predilection, but it's story you're going to here until November. Do you disagree with that analysis?

Except there is no proof that the money was sent to Joe or that it wasn't just a loan repayment.

Isn't that two conflicting arguments in the same statement? You tell me. Was it a loan repayment or his brother never sent him money?

Except politicians do go to jail. Menendez is going to jail.

Menendez got off once and has been operating in the Senate since. He was just too cocky and careless. By the way, Santos is small time relative to this discussion.

So looks like the system is "clean" already. Unless you're Paxton in Texas and - hell! - the GOP fought pretty hard to keep Santos, didn't they? So maybe the Dems are a little cleaner than the GOP, Earp. Waddya think?

No, I don't agree. I have lived in Blue States and Blue Cities. They are very corrupt. It's very hard to prosecute corruption when it's institutionalized in political entities that are completely dominated by Democrats or Republicans for that matter. Corruption is not some Republican disease as you like to portray.

I hope the Feds get Paxton. It took them decades to nail Michael Madigan perhaps once the most powerful man in Illinois.The Paxton impeachment might have gotten too far in front of the evidence. I would presume if the evidence was already there to indict the Feds would have swept in and charged him.

 

[mandrill]

First, please stop with your aggressive tone. Converse.

I am. Don't be thin-skinned.

Hunter and James Biden have no special qualifications to be operating in several foreign countries that happen to be a hot spot like the Ukraine and a geopolitical competitor like China. It's not difficult to understand why Canadian companies aren't going to pay them millions of dollars.

Your point?

I believe there was an exchange with Butler, you, I and some other people where we admitted the Biden family business was not "kosher" as they would say. The word "grift" was used by others and I don't remember you objecting in manner.

No. Butler has me on ignore. And I don't remember saying anything like that.

The Biden family saga might disturb your liberal predilection, but it's story you're going to here until November. Do you disagree with that analysis?

You and Butler are going to keep on about it, yes.

Isn't that two conflicting arguments in the same statement? You tell me. Was it a loan repayment or his brother never sent him money?

What was the exact transaction in question?

Menendez got off once and has been operating in the Senate since. He was just too cocky and careless. By the way, Santos is small time relative to this discussion.

Yep, to be a big-time scammer in the GOP, you have to grift way more than Santos did. Agreed.

No, I don't agree. I have lived in Blue States and Blue Cities. They are very corrupt. It's very hard to prosecute corruption when it's institutionalized in political entities that are completely dominated by Democrats or Republicans for that matter. Corruption is not some Republican disease as you like to portray.

Agreed. There are lots of corrupt Dems. Yes. Just not at the presidential level.

I hope the Feds get Paxton. It took them decades to nail Michael Madigan perhaps once the most powerful man in Illinois. The Paxton impeachment might have gotten too far in front of the evidence. I would presume if the evidence was already there to indict the Feds would have swept in and charged him.

I believe the Feds actually have charged Paxton, which is the FAFO backdrop to the Texas Statehouse bullshit.

 

[WyattEarp]

No. Butler has me on ignore. And I don't remember saying anything like that.

Perhaps you could register another name here on TERB. Just a thought.

Anyway, I think you tolerated (accepted might be too strong) the idea that the Biden crew wasn't the most ethical bunch. Which is really all I am saying here.

What was the exact transaction in question?

Ohh, it's just James received some money ($600k) for promising to arrange a Mideast investment and the same day sent a $200k check to Joe labeled "loan repayment". I guess it's good to pay back your debts.

I believe the Feds actually have charged Paxton, which is the FAFO backdrop to the Texas Statehouse bullshit.

I believe the Feds finally are able to drag Paxton into court for some 2015 charges. I don't think they are the exact same charges of the impeachment. Incidentally, Madigan's attorneys are successfully delaying 2021 charges. He's 81. If he's lucky, he dies before being convicted and his already wealthy family inherits his estate.

Agreed. There are lots of corrupt Dems. Yes. Just not at the presidential level.

I think you are portraying my criticism as a defense of the Trump families ethics. I don't think they are ethical on all accounts. Jared is hustling his wife's name. It will be interesting to see what happens to that going forward.

Obama might be the only President in the last few decades whose family doesn't have business dealings with foreign entities. I could be wrong, but it sounds right.

 

[basketcase]

Biden needs to lose if only to end support for genocide.
The dems need to purge that from the party the way the liberals need to purge it here.

Still trying to turn every thread into his hate campaign.

 

[Frankfooter]

Still trying to turn every thread into his hate campaign.

Lose 13% of dem votes and you lose the election.

	CANDIDATES	PARTY	VOTES	PCT.
	Joe Biden *	DEM	384,765	80.8%
	UNCOMMITTED	DEM	63,357	13.3%
	Marianne Williamson	DEM	14,267	3.0%
	Dean Phillips	DEM	13,560	2.8%
	TOTAL

 

[silentkisser]

Yes, yes......it's political theater. Absolutely. However, are you going to argue that Joe Biden and his family don't have questionable ethics because they know how to use the Joe's; name in foreign business dealings and stay within the law?.

That's the rub. The nothing to see here folks is not how politics works. You keep Hunter and James Biden in the news as long as you can.

Similarly, the Russian collusion hoax was dragged out past a midterm. The Trump campaign did some stupid things, but it's hard to find the laws that were broken as it pertained to the Russians.

The issue here is that it doesn't really sound like Joe did anything wrong, it was Hunter who was using the Biden name and the appearance of influence. He was sort of selling a fantasy of incredible access that he really couldn't deliver on. As far as I know, besides baseless allegations from the GOP, Joe didn't do anything close to what you are implying. As for his brother...I'm not sure. But, just like you can't blame Jimmy Carter for Billy selling beer, you can't blame Joe for whatever Hunter did.

And, while I don't want to get into whataboutism, if you look at what happened during Trump's administration...Jared getting $2 billion to launch a hedge fund when he has NO experience in that area reeks of suspicious activity. Then you look at the how Donald Trump made something like $160 million during those four years. That is shady as fuck.

Now, as for what Trump and the GOP want to call a Russian hoax was far from it. Even a GOP committee found that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, helping Trump win...You are right though, no laws were broken, but part of that apparently was because the Trump campaign couldn't get its shit together to truly work with Russian agents...

Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election

The report purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as the other reports did, about whether there is enough evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated or colluded with Russia to sway the election, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.

www.pbs.org

 

[WyattEarp]

The issue here is that it doesn't really sound like Joe did anything wrong, it was Hunter who was using the Biden name and the appearance of influence. He was sort of selling a fantasy of incredible access that he really couldn't deliver on. As far as I know, besides baseless allegations from the GOP, Joe didn't do anything close to what you are implying. As for his brother...I'm not sure. But, just like you can't blame Jimmy Carter for Billy selling beer, you can't blame Joe for whatever Hunter did.

And, while I don't want to get into whataboutism, if you look at what happened during Trump's administration...Jared getting $2 billion to launch a hedge fund when he has NO experience in that area reeks of suspicious activity. Then you look at the how Donald Trump made something like $160 million during those four years. That is shady as fuck.

As I just did above, I have always admonished Jared's dealmaking in the Mideast. That's why I said it would be interesting to see what happens next with that. It is also absurd.

I never got too excited about handbags and hotel rooms as this was the Trump family business long before. Billy Beer probably put a few coins in Billy Carter's pocket.

This is chump change compared to the hustling Jared and the Biden's engage in abroad with less than savory actors. You can't make the sight of this hustling go away simply because of your political allegiances. It's a part of politics.

 

[kherg007]

The issue here is that it doesn't really sound like Joe did anything wrong, it was Hunter who was using the Biden name and the appearance of influence. He was sort of selling a fantasy of incredible access that he really couldn't deliver on. As far as I know, besides baseless allegations from the GOP, Joe didn't do anything close to what you are implying. As for his brother...I'm not sure. But, just like you can't blame Jimmy Carter for Billy selling beer, you can't blame Joe for whatever Hunter did.

And, while I don't want to get into whataboutism, if you look at what happened during Trump's administration...Jared getting $2 billion to launch a hedge fund when he has NO experience in that area reeks of suspicious activity. Then you look at the how Donald Trump made something like $160 million during those four years. That is shady as fuck.

Now, as for what Trump and the GOP want to call a Russian hoax was far from it. Even a GOP committee found that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, helping Trump win...You are right though, no laws were broken, but part of that apparently was because the Trump campaign couldn't get its shit together to truly work with Russian agents...

Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election

The report purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as the other reports did, about whether there is enough evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated or colluded with Russia to sway the election, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.

www.pbs.org

Ivanka got trademarks in China whilst in the employ of the US government.
Think about it.
Think about Jared constantly devouring classified info, then gets his 2 billion.
Government business all detoured to Trump properties, and trump charging full rates.
This is how tinhorn dictatorships work. The family business is co-mingled with government business. Thoroughly corrupt. In fact, it is the definition of corrupt.

 

[silentkisser]

As I just did above, I have always admonished Jared's dealmaking in the Mideast. That's why I said it would be interesting to see what happens next with that. It is also absurd.

I never got too excited about handbags and hotel rooms as this was the Trump family business long before. Billy Beer probably put a few coins in Billy Carter's pocket.

This is chump change compared to the hustling Jared and the Biden's engage in abroad with less than savory actors. You can't make the sight of this hustling go away simply because of your political allegiances. It's a part of politics.

I don't disagree with that. BUT....I will say there is virtually no evidence that Joe benefited from any of these shenanigans. He cannot control what Hunter and James do with the Biden name, or what they tell business associates (and there is a good chance that he didn't know).

Trump used the oval office as a money making opportunity. He forced the Secret Service to pay for rooms at his resorts, which he visited nearly every weekend. Foreign leaders or diplomats/companies stayed at his hotels, likely to win favour, because, let's face it, there are a ton of high-end hotels in DC and NYC. I would not be surprised if Donald got his beak wet from Jared's dealings. Maybe some of that cash will help finance a new project...if Trump is legally allowed to operate a business again...

Anyways, the whole "Biden Crime Family" smear is just sooooooo stupid. Beside's Hunter's drug addiction and legal issues, no Biden has been found to be operating a charity fraudulently or operated a phony university, or stiffed hundreds of contractors for work they did....

 

[WyattEarp]

Anyways, the whole "Biden Crime Family" smear is just sooooooo stupid. Beside's Hunter's drug addiction and legal issues, no Biden has been found to be operating a charity fraudulently or operated a phony university, or stiffed hundreds of contractors for work they did....

Now you are politicking......which is fine. Throw a punch. Take a punch. The Bidens need to take their punches.

 

[silentkisser]

Now you are politicking......which is fine. Throw a punch. Take a punch. The Bidens need to take their punches.

No, I'm dropping facts. Hunter has plead not guilty and has not been convicted of anything (though he did accept a plea deal that might have been kiboshed by the GOPs favourite spy...), nor has James Biden been even arrested. I'm not saying Hunter is an angel, the allegations of some of the shit he's done seem probably true. But, the point I'm making is that there is a lot of smoke in the allegations over the family, but not a lot of fire.

 

[basketcase]

Lose 13% of dem votes and you lose the election.
...

Which has exactly what to do with the fake source the GOP celebrated?

 

[mandrill]

Perhaps you could register another name here on TERB. Just a thought.

Anyway, I think you tolerated (accepted might be too strong) the idea that the Biden crew wasn't the most ethical bunch. Which is really all I am saying here.

No to both.

Ohh, it's just James received some money ($600k) for promising to arrange a Mideast investment and the same day sent a $200k check to Joe labeled "loan repayment". I guess it's good to pay back your debts.

More "maybe-maybe-maybe-doncha-thinky-thinky-thinky"?

What you suggest isn't really evidence, is it? It's just cobbling together 2 events and suggesting that "maybe-maybe-maybe-doncha-thinky-thinky-thinky" they are connected. Maybe James needed that $600k to come up with the ready cash to pay Joe back?

But anyway. When you have proof, not bullshit, LMK.

I believe the Feds finally are able to drag Paxton into court for some 2015 charges. I don't think they are the exact same charges of the impeachment. Incidentally, Madigan's attorneys are successfully delaying 2021 charges. He's 81. If he's lucky, he dies before being convicted and his already wealthy family inherits his estate.

I think you are portraying my criticism as a defense of the Trump families ethics. I don't think they are ethical on all accounts. Jared is hustling his wife's name. It will be interesting to see what happens to that going forward.

Obama might be the only President in the last few decades whose family doesn't have business dealings with foreign entities. I could be wrong, but it sounds right.

Trump family ethics?!.... Wasn't there a recent court ruling that found that the entire Trump family were fraudsters???..... Hmm, in some place called New Yogg Siddy or something like that??

Now THAT is proof of fraud. What you have with the Bidens is speculation and poop-widdle.

 

[mandrill]

Now you are politicking......which is fine. Throw a punch. Take a punch. The Bidens need to take their punches.

But again, this is "whatabouty-bouty-bouty-doncha-thinky-thinky-thinky?", isn't it??

Fact is, you have bullshit. But the Trumps actually have a court decision judicially finding them to be fraudsters. There is no equivalence, Earp.

 

[squeezer]

Joe Biden has ZERO scandals, and it makes Trumpists FURIOUS

 

[toguy5252]

Joe Biden has ZERO scandals, and it makes Trumpists FURIOUS

They have to invent scandals and dirt etc to give their employer some talking points for the general. Sure I was impeached unfairly but look at corrupt Joe who was also impeached. You know the drill.

 

[SchlongConery]

Joe Biden has ZERO scandals, and it makes Trumpists FURIOUS

No scandals?

WTF... didn't you hear about President Biden answering a reporters question on a Gaza ceasefire while eating ice cream with Seth Meyers? ICE CREAM!!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Joe Biden has ZERO scandals, and it makes Trumpists FURIOUS

But but, but the biggest Trumpista that is really pissed off, is this individual who over the years kept spouting "The Facts" that the "Radical Left Media" will not Tell You:

STUDY: How Sean Hannity helped build the GOP’s collapsing Hunter Biden impeachment case
Impeachment Chairs Comer, Jordan, and Smith made 86 appearances on Hannity’s Fox show to talk Hunter in 2023

STUDY: How Sean Hannity helped build the GOP’s collapsing Hunter Biden impeachment case

Fox News host Sean Hannity and his House Republican allies spent 2023 trying to manufacture an impeachable offense against President Joe Biden out of their fact-free obsession with the president’s son, Hunter. Hannity’s Fox show aired at least 325 segments about Hunter Biden in 2023, 220 of...

www.mediamatters.org