No, the important thing is you refuse to vote for someone committing genocide.Sure.
Your view of Trump is wrong and delusional.
But it is the same strategy.
"Trump would be better or really not that bad, because the important thing is that the Democrat loses."
That trumps rump winning, its an unfortunate cost.
Preferably the dems listen to the 80% who back a ceasefire and oust Biden somehow.
Netanyahu could be ousted, he's constantly on thin ground and the hostages families and opponents are constantly pressuring him. Harris just declared her support for a ceasefire (with conditions), Jill B has been protested and the party can't keep news of polls away from Joe forever. The party knows its an election losing position the question is how does Genocide Joe back down.How, exactly, do you see that happening?
Are you saying there will be a cease fire or something under Biden's watch?
A ceasefire which you will then punish him for by making sure Trump wins?
What I do know is that the starvation and disease is hitting catastrophic levels and the numbers of dead will rise to even more unsupportable levels very soon. Biden keeps announcing that a ceasefire is very close.
Not at all, if the media get in when this pauses it will never be allowed to restart. Not by Netanyahu, Biden or rump. Gaza has been destroyed and there is nothing left to attack except refugees living in tents. The US and Israel will work hard to keep the press out but it'll be hard to stop social media.What on earth are you basing this on?
And are you saying that Biden will restart it?
I'm arguing that the on the ground differences between a Biden and rump presidency aren't that big, but genocide really is. Americans didn't suffer under rump, they won't suffer that much under rump 2.0 now that he's senile. Biden passed a few minor changes but nothing structural, rump only passed a tax cut and screwed over the SCOTUS. Biden refuses to act to fix that, and really, he's politically not that further away.I'm saying that round two of Trump would be much worse than round 1.
And since you just said above that the genocide would be over before April, then your argument for putting Trump into power appears to be "Biden did a bad thing, therefore Americans must suffer" since it isn't even like you are arguing that Trump would stop the Genocide that Biden won't.
Historically Netanyahu has killed as many Palestinians as he thought he could get away with. From the Great March of Return to the 2014 slaughter he had the ability to kill more but rode the line to 'mow the grass' as much as he could without losing US and global support. This time he's in a more desperate political position and decided to keep the killing going rather than face his corruption trial and political rivalries. Biden's support is enabling this. Israel could kill everyone pretty quickly if they wanted but the outrage would end zionism. Instead he's allowing it to happen through starvation and disease in the hopes that he can blame the UNRWA.If the Israeli's are dead set on committing genocide and Biden is supporting them, then it won't stop until everyone is dead.
That's the point of supporting genocide, isn't it?
Genocide is a worse option than corruption.It's cute when you try to be clever.
Try and keep up.
Given a choice between two bad options, you take the less bad option.
You have yet to provide a single reason getting rid of Joe helps the Palestinians other than you feel it punishes the bad behavior you want punished.
Except that it rewards people who want to do more of that bad behavior, so it isn't even like you're going to get a clear message out of it.
Getting rid of Joe and purging AIPAC influence hastens the oncoming end of zionism, which is the only way to help Palestinians. A ceasefire alone is no better than shack's wet dream of a surrender. They need systematic change as does the US.
I can't see that rump will be worse than genocide. Instead rump will try to pull out of NATO and the UN which would end US vetos over Israeli war crimes. There is a chance he'd prop up the Israeli government but I'd expect that when this is over and Netanyahu is gone there won't be another despot for him to back.No.
I am arguing that since Trump will be worse for the Palestinians, there is nothing to be gained by trying to get him to win in order to "punish Biden".
That isn't arguing it is "ok for Biden to commit Genocide" that is arguing that "this course of action doesn't get me what I want".
You yourself have said in this very post that the US election will have NO EFFECT on the genocide, since the Israeli operation will stop before then.
Neither do I.I don't have to convince myself of either of those things.
I have to convince myself that Trump would be worse for the Palestinians.
This is not difficult to do.
I have to convince myself that Trump would be worse for the Americans.
This is not difficult to do.
I have to convince myself that Trump would be worse for the World.
This is not difficult to do.
There isn't even a moral trade off here where Trump wins one category.
Nothing can be worse than the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
Its not hard to convince myself that stopping the Genocide is more important than allowing the messed up US system to get a bit more messed up for a few years.
You keep acting as if my views are unique instead of part of sizable chunk of the dems.Ahh.
The "I wouldn't vote for them so I am morally clean" delusion.
Well, I know I won't break you of that, but luckily you don't vote in US elections.
No, he's not been weak and ineffectual, its the opposite.He's been quite bad on the issue, I agree.
Very weak and ineffectual, even given his very limited ability to affect the issue.
I want more from him.
But, as you said, none of it matters because Israel will stop anyway, according to you.
Biden alone has been the only strong arm vetoing global UN SC resolutions that could have stopped the genocide.
He has been strong armed in denying funding for the US and instead using emergency powers to send billions more in bombs to Gaza.
Biden has declared himself a zionist and actively aided genocide.