GOP prized informant against Hunter Biden now charged with lying under oath

[bver_hunter]

Are you referring to the Quinnipiac poll? It's currently an outlier. There's about ten updated polls that show Trump ahead.

Since you're a champion of Biden greatness, the Presidential Greatness Project, which surveys relevant members of the American Political Science Association and calls itself “the foremost organization of social science experts in presidential politics” has declared him the 14th greatest President (out of 45). This is so patently predisposed. Anyhoo, our very own Valcazar might be a member of the American Political Science Association.

I am not saying that Biden is a great president. For the sake of us in Canada and the World in General, Biden would be a better fit than Trump. Especially, if Trump is sucking up to the likes of Putin. You seem to be the champion of Trump's greatness. I would rather not see bot Trump and Biden running for the 2024 President. One maybe just too old, although the other is not that much younger, however he is going to be a huge danger to democracy as we know it!!

 

[WyattEarp]

He was a source they used and judging by this case, they treated his intel as unverified. The GOP heard there was an accusation and didn't give a shit that the FBI found it completely unsupported. The evidence now shows they knew how unreliable their source was as he simply took info directly from Russian intelligence.

Sort of like Michael Steele.

 

[Frankfooter]

I am not saying that Biden is a great president. For the sake of us in Canada and the World in General, Biden would be a better fit than Trump. Especially, if Trump is sucking up to the likes of Putin. You seem to be the champion of Trump's greatness. I would rather not see bot Trump and Biden running for the 2024 President. One maybe just too old, although the other is not that much younger, however he is going to be a huge danger to democracy as we know it!!

Biden needs to lose if only to end support for genocide.
The dems need to purge that from the party the way the liberals need to purge it here.

 

[bver_hunter]

Biden needs to lose if only to end support for genocide.
The dems need to purge that from the party the way the liberals need to purge it here.

Trump will only add to the genocide as he will openly encourage Netanyahu to keep on razing Gaza to the ground!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Trump will only add to the genocide as he will openly encourage Netanyahu to keep on razing Gaza to the ground!!

Its still unknown how far rump would support genocide but it is now known how far Biden will go.
The US survived one term of rump and he looks totally senile now, so some people will choose to risk him for a term to send the dems a message.

Right now Biden has lost enough support to lose the election.

Its supposed to be settled but I wonder if both candidates will make it to Nov, for legal, health or support reasons.

 

[silentkisser]

The thing you're all ignoring is that Smirnov has been working for the FBI for years. The House Republicans didn't just go out and find this guy.

True, the FBI was listening to him. It does not mean they believed him, or used all of his information. I assume they were trying to vet his evidence and found it was a pile of bullshit, which is why the arrested him...and then he confessed to being a Russian stooge...

What I love is how the GOP and Faux (especially Waters) wants to pretend that the FBI is in the bag for Biden or some other bullshit. It just totally escapes their beliefs that maybe they are relying on bad people, and that is why they get arrested. Say what you want about the Steele dossier, but he never meant for it to go into the public sphere, nor did he try and tell the FBI that is was all true, or lied to them like Smirnov.

The sad reality here is that people like Mitchy would rather believe Biden is some master manipulator and was able to get a star witness against him arrested...even if itjust defies reason...

And apparently Gym Jordan plans on continuing the impeachment inquiry. We'll see how that all plays out...

 

[toguy5252]

True, the FBI was listening to him. It does not mean they believed him, or used all of his information. I assume they were trying to vet his evidence and found it was a pile of bullshit, which is why the arrested him...and then he confessed to being a Russian stooge...

What I love is how the GOP and Faux (especially Waters) wants to pretend that the FBI is in the bag for Biden or some other bullshit. It just totally escapes their beliefs that maybe they are relying on bad people, and that is why they get arrested. Say what you want about the Steele dossier, but he never meant for it to go into the public sphere, nor did he try and tell the FBI that is was all true, or lied to them like Smirnov.

The sad reality here is that people like Mitchy would rather believe Biden is some master manipulator and was able to get a star witness against him arrested...even if itjust defies reason...

And apparently Gym Jordan plans on continuing the impeachment inquiry. We'll see how that all plays out...

You seem to think that credible or any evidence is required. This entire charade has nothing at all to do with evidence.

 

[WyattEarp]

You seem to think that credible or any evidence is required. This entire charade has nothing at all to do with evidence.

You're using strong rhetoric to paste over reality. The Biden family was very actively grifting. Hunter and James cut deals abroad. Joe while still in office gets on the phone or attends a dinner meeting to seal the deal. Do I have this wrong?

[Insert Beaver's obligatory Ivana Trump handbag licenses granted by China here]

Butler and I have agreed that based on U.S. laws you almost have to tape a politician saying he will do something quid pro quo for a business arrangement. Doesn't even matter if money sent to James by a foreign enterprise is shortly after moved to Joe. It's simply declared a loan repayment. That's why the House Republicans are not going to get anywhere. The laws are weak and American politicians and their families know how to work the system.

The U.S. is never going to clean up this system unless we have honest conversations about it. My guys are clean, your guys are dirty. Doesn't really get us anywhere. I'm not even sure Congressional Republicans or Democrats really want to change the laws.

 

[WyattEarp]

Say what you want about the Steele dossier, but he never meant for it to go into the public sphere, nor did he try and tell the FBI that is was all true, or lied to them like Smirnov.

It doesn't really matter how Michael Steele intended or not intended the dossier to be used. We have information manufactured by Russian sources entering U.S. intelligence circles.

I don't know what to make of Comey. He seems to be a revisionist trying to salvage his legacy as a divisive figure. Comey said of the Steele Dossier “It was coming from a credible source, someone with a track record, someone who was a credible and respected member of an allied intelligence service during his career.”

Comey has said the FBI tried to verify the information in the dossier independently, but it wasn't the reason the FBI investigation was opened. However if you have a concern for the FBI maintaining objectivity and risking confirmation bias, this statement is troubling.

"this guy, who's credible, says these things are true. Okay. That means we should try and replicate that work to see if we can develop the same sources."

So take the House Republicans out of it for a moment..........I know, I know. They're so bad. They suck. Yeah, it's pretty much how many Republicans think of Adam "I have seen the evidence" Schiff.

So put the House Republicans aside, you have an FBI that is routinely dealing with unscrupulous foreign characters who often are trying to manipulate them and others in our government.

 

[toguy5252]

You're using strong rhetoric to paste over reality. The Biden family was very actively grifting. Hunter and James cut deals abroad. Joe while still in office gets on the phone or attends a dinner meeting to seal the deal. Do I have this wrong?

[Insert Beaver's obligatory Ivana Trump handbag licenses granted by China here]

Butler and I have agreed that based on U.S. laws you almost have to tape a politician saying he will do something quid pro quo for a business arrangement. Doesn't even matter if money sent to James by a foreign enterprise is shortly after moved to Joe. It's simply declared a loan repayment. That's why the House Republicans are not going to get anywhere. The laws are weak and American politicians and their families know how to work the system.

The U.S. is never going to clean up this system unless we have honest conversations about it. My guys are clean, your guys are dirty. Doesn't really get us anywhere. I'm not even sure Congressional Republicans or Democrats really want to change the laws.

Once you refer to the Biden family to include Joe you lose all credibility. Whatever hunter did or did not do that had nothing at all to do with Joe without evidence as much as you would like to connect him.

if you are aware of evidence against Joe please produce it or are you waiting for Mike Lindell.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

Sort of like Michael Steele.

you mean the bassist for the bengals or the republican governor of Maryland ?

 

[silentkisser]

You seem to think that credible or any evidence is required. This entire charade has nothing at all to do with evidence.

Oh, I'm aware. For the most part, it all seemed like theatre. There was never really any serious allegations, but the GOPers hyped up whatever they could. I mean, on paper, hearing that they have an FBI informant claiming to have evidence doesn't seem good. But, as we now know, the FBI warned Comer and Jordan that they couldn't verify anything, so to be cautious....which went in one ear and out the other. It's just like when they interviewed Devin Archer and twisted everything around to make it sound like Hunter was dictating US foreign policy, when that was the exact opposite if what he did....

 

[silentkisser]

It doesn't really matter how Michael Steele intended or not intended the dossier to be used. We have information manufactured by Russian sources entering U.S. intelligence circles.

I don't know what to make of Comey. He seems to be a revisionist trying to salvage his legacy as a divisive figure. Comey said of the Steele Dossier “It was coming from a credible source, someone with a track record, someone who was a credible and respected member of an allied intelligence service during his career.”

Comey has said the FBI tried to verify the information in the dossier independently, but it wasn't the reason the FBI investigation was opened. However if you have a concern for the FBI maintaining objectivity and risking confirmation bias, this statement is troubling.

"this guy, who's credible, says these things are true. Okay. That means we should try and replicate that work to see if we can develop the same sources."

So take the House Republicans out of it for a moment..........I know, I know. They're so bad. They suck. Yeah, it's pretty much how many Republicans think of Adam "I have seen the evidence" Schiff.

So put the House Republicans aside, you have an FBI that is routinely dealing with unscrupulous foreign characters who often are trying to manipulate them and others in our government.

Just for clarity, it's Christopher Steele. Michael Steele is the former head of the RNC...

Also, just because Chuck Grassley and other GOPers says the Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation doesn't make it so. No official in the FBI said it was, there were just two footnotes in a document that talked about the possibility. Now, I'm not saying the dossier was 100% factual. Even Steele himself said as much, because a lot of the info was unverified or unverifiable.

As for Comey, it isn't troubling. Imagine if you got a doc that had evidence of conspiracy and didn't investigate. That is malpractice. That is a major issue. What if the Trump campaign was competent and was able to engage with the Russians for election help? Russia appeared wanting to help.

Anyways, the bottomline is that with Steele's Dossier, the FBI was already looking at Trump's campaign for Russian ties because of, Popoduopulus (I think) having a big mouth and concerning an Australian diplomat.

But the bottom line is, Christopher Steele NEVER lied to the FBI. While he did send his info to the intelligence services in the US & UK, he never claimed they were facts, mostly because they were unverified things.

 

[SchlongConery]

Trump will only add to the genocide as he will openly encourage Netanyahu to keep on razing Gaza to the ground!!

No doubt whatsoever that Trump would do that.

Biden at least has knowledge of the region, conflict etc .

 

[WyattEarp]

Once you refer to the Biden family to include Joe you lose all credibility. Whatever hunter did or did not do that had nothing at all to do with Joe without evidence as much as you would like to connect him.

if you are aware of evidence against Joe please produce it or are you waiting for Mike Lindell.

Are you really going to make this claim.......here of all places? Do you really think Hunter and James Biden are international businessmen of intrigue making deals around the world without Joe's name and blessing?

If Joe Biden is on a call or at a dinner, he's involved whether he received compensation or not. It's that simple.

I told you Joe Biden did not break the law as it is written and applied. The ethical breach is self-evident.

 

[WyattEarp]

Oh, I'm aware. For the most part, it all seemed like theatre.

Yes, yes......it's political theater. Absolutely. However, are you going to argue that Joe Biden and his family don't have questionable ethics because they know how to use the Joe's; name in foreign business dealings and stay within the law?.

That's the rub. The nothing to see here folks is not how politics works. You keep Hunter and James Biden in the news as long as you can.

Similarly, the Russian collusion hoax was dragged out past a midterm. The Trump campaign did some stupid things, but it's hard to find the laws that were broken as it pertained to the Russians.

 

[mandrill]

You're using strong rhetoric to paste over reality. The Biden family was very actively grifting. Hunter and James cut deals abroad. Joe while still in office gets on the phone or attends a dinner meeting to seal the deal. Do I have this wrong?

Proof? Evidence?

Or bullshit?

[Insert Beaver's obligatory Ivana Trump handbag licenses granted by China here]

Butler and I have agreed that based on U.S. laws you almost have to tape a politician saying he will do something quid pro quo for a business arrangement. Doesn't even matter if money sent to James by a foreign enterprise is shortly after moved to Joe. It's simply declared a loan repayment. That's why the House Republicans are not going to get anywhere. The laws are weak and American politicians and their families know how to work the system.

Except there is no proof that the money was sent to Joe or that it wasn't just a loan repayment. If there was proof, the GOP House would have impeached Joe a year ago.

It's just clouds of innuendo and "doncha think this happened?"

The U.S. is never going to clean up this system unless we have honest conversations about it. My guys are clean, your guys are dirty. Doesn't really get us anywhere. I'm not even sure Congressional Republicans or Democrats really want to change the laws.

Except politicians do go to jail. Menendez is going to jail. And lots of others have gone.

So looks like the system is "clean" already. Unless you're Paxton in Texas and - hell! - the GOP fought pretty hard to keep Santos, didn't they? So maybe the Dems are a little cleaner than the GOP, Earp. Waddya think?

 

[mandrill]

Are you really going to make this claim.......here of all places? Do you really think Hunter and James Biden are international businessmen of intrigue making deals around the world without Joe's name and blessing?

If Joe Biden is on a call or at a dinner, he's involved whether he received compensation or not. It's that simple.

I told you Joe Biden did not break the law as it is written and applied. The ethical breach is self-evident.

Proof?

Or just "doncha-thinky-thinky-thinky-whatabouty-bouty-bouty"?

Whatever anyone says about the GOP, there's always a Dem who "maybe-maybe-maybe" did the same thing, right?

 

[toguy5252]

Are you really going to make this claim.......here of all places? Do you really think Hunter and James Biden are international businessmen of intrigue making deals around the world without Joe's name and blessing?

If Joe Biden is on a call or at a dinner, he's involved whether he received compensation or not. It's that simple.

I told you Joe Biden did not break the law as it is written and applied. The ethical breach is self-evident.

You obviously have not been paying attention to the actual evidence as opposed to the talking points from the clowns running the hearings. All of the allegations have been debunked as they apply to Joe. This is just a charade to help you he election chances of the stable genius.

why don’t you focus on the actual evidence under oath and subject To cross examination in which the chosen one who has been found by different courts to be a sexual assaulted and fraudster.

 

[bver_hunter]

Once you refer to the Biden family to include Joe you lose all credibility. Whatever hunter did or did not do that had nothing at all to do with Joe without evidence as much as you would like to connect him.

if you are aware of evidence against Joe please produce it or are you waiting for Mike Lindell.

Not to forget Jared Kushner's $2.1 Billion so called "Investment" from the Saudi Monarchy!!
What experience does Kushner have with investment?
So far nothing proven to implicate Joe Biden in his son's dealings.
The $500,000 or so that Joe Biden received in loans etc. is crumbs compared to the $2.1 Billion from the Saudi Monarchy.
Kushner should be called to testify as to how he received this so called "investment".
As for Trump himself:

Federal officials looking to recover $7,000 set of gold-plated golf clubs Donald Trump received as gift

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He seems to have got away with so many violations during his reign in the Whitehouse!!