Go Leafs Go!!

[jimmyt]

OMG dont do that you'll get 21pro all in tizzy...lol. I agree totally btw (with you not 21pro) I like Quinn but he's a dinosaur and needs to move on. He doesnt seem to get it anymore

Agree as well. Paul Maurice was hired for the Marlies for a reason. He is the highest paid coach in the "A" this season....the main reason for this being they paid him an NHL coach salary knowing damn well he will be going to work at the ACC in September!!

Quinn would be a great GM (ONLY!!) for another club but not the Leafs.....he has far far outlived the average life of an NHL coach anyhow......

Carve the club up and replace in the offseason!! Start with coaching and go from there

 

[A-ROD]

Here is a tidbit I heard on the Fan590 yesterday, that could cost the Leafs some salary cap room for next season.

If Belfour is still injured (his back) at the end of the season, they can't, as per the CBA excersise the $1.5 million buyout in his contract. The only way they could dump him would be to buyout his contract at two thirds of it's value, which means it would cost them about $3.1 million. An extra $1.5 to Belfour and $1.5 less to spend on another player

Do I smell a rat in Belfours corner??

 

[21pro]

OK, You guys win.

but, I can say as a coach myself, a few of the leafs players don't follow the system... that's not up to the coach. those players need attitude adjustment or need to go. Quinn can only work with who he's got. in fact, he doesn't even hold enough pull to bench certain players without repurcussions from head office. why? cause everything's screwed about leaf hockey..

hopefully things will improve, though... they added 4 new scouting positions, making them one of the largest scouting departments in the NHL...they now have a scouting team as big as Detroit and Colorado... something that shoulda been done years ago, IMO.

oh... and Paul Maurice isn't the best choice for a replacement... he's an AHL coach and failed under a highly talented and successful NHL team when he had the chances.

 

[new2game]

Really pro??...Explain...

OK, You guys win.

but, I can say as a coach myself, a few of the leafs players don't follow the system... that's not up to the coach. those players need attitude adjustment or need to go. Quinn can only work with who he's got. in fact, he doesn't even hold enough pull to bench certain players without repurcussions from head office. why? cause everything's screwed about leaf hockey..

hopefully things will improve, though... they added 4 new scouting positions, making them one of the largest scouting departments in the NHL...they now have a scouting team as big as Detroit and Colorado... something that shoulda been done years ago, IMO.

oh... and Paul Maurice isn't the best choice for a replacement... he's an AHL coach and failed under a highly talented and successful NHL team when he had the chances.

AHHH YESS !!...another "I've done that so I know better than the rest of you" guy...so you coach...BFD (big f'n deal)..doesn't give you any particular insight beyond what any of us rabid fans have...Quinn has been on my shit list since he's come out and said it's not his job to motivate...BULL..it's his job to create an environment where the players have the best opportunity to succeed ..and he hasn't done that..

This team has proven they can be a playoff team..note the record before Christmas. When this slide started, a Saturday game against Pheonix, where the Leafs had a 3-0 lead after one period at home, and proceeded to lose the game..Quinn did nothing to change the fortunes of this team..it was business as usual, sticking with the same dead wood for much too long..Domi and O'Neill deserved bench warming time long before they got it..and there are some others that could use it too..Khavanov, Berg,Antropov, to name a few..Way too many floaters on this team..If they would give 1/2 the effort ervery game that they have on the last 4 or 5. they would be fine..Yes some of this rests with the players, but the coaching staff has to shoulder blame too...and you can tell Quinn has lost this team when he's asked about their shot totals(they havent hit 40 shots in any game all season) ..and he comes out and says that the players are told to time and time again, but don't seem to listen...

The worst thing that couold happen is for the Leafs to somehow makle the playoffs..then the changes that are required..Quinn being gone, and major line up changes, along with a good amount of young talent being brought up..will not be done

I hope Maurice can be kept at the AHL level ..he seems to know how to have players prepared for the NHL, I've been impressed by most of the call ups this season..only thing is, Quinn is too stubborn to give young players a chance and is to dedicated to the veterans...

N2G

 

[21pro]

I know better than the rest of you

never once claimed this.

a coach's job is partly to attempt to motivate. the leafs hire sports psychologists to assist with this as well.

fire them too?

motivation isn't the problem...

 

[21pro]

I hope Maurice can be kept at the AHL level ..he seems to know how to have players prepared for the NHL, I`ve been impressed by most of the call ups this season..

like he has much to do with this season`s call ups... look at the marlies record to see what he did with his players... they`re worse than last season.

and if anyone`s intersted, I have pink hockey sticks for sale...
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=112653

 

[new2game]

Ummm..yes you did..

never once claimed this.

a coach's job is partly to attempt to motivate. the leafs hire sports psychologists to assist with this as well.

fire them too?

motivation isn't the problem...

...when you start a sentence "as a coach myself" ...you're implying some type of superior knowledge...I'm more of the school that I don't have to put my hand on a stove burner to know it'll hurt..in other words, I don't have to be some jock , or a manager of jocks to understand sports...Motivation is not a problem???...have you watched the inconsistant effort these guys give game to game?? heck period to period??...this team rarely outworks their opponents...something Leaf teams with the likes of Roberts and Niewendyk did do...you don't see the Leafs being praised for their work ethic..so I'll disagree with you that motivation hasn't been a problem..it may not have been lately, now that they finally have it throiugh their heads that they might not make the playoffs if they don't start working for it..

and who really cares that much about the Marlies record??...I say if the players are prepared for the NHL, like the call ups were...Pohl, Ondrus, Harrison...then the farm system is doing it's job ..and since Maurice has been there for a year, he deserves some credit for it..

N2G

 

[21pro]

motivation is not the same as work ethic

...when you start a sentence "as a coach myself" ...you're implying some type of superior knowledge...

not at all for i could coach 5year olds in business performance or career aptitude.., j/k of course.

i just am saying that i can relate to the circumstances... the problems that usually exist when they are not apparent are never worth analyzing... except for the many people that have too much time on their hands... but they won't hit the nail on the head, either. (read here: they are all wrong)

all a team can do is work through it... and it either happens or it doesn't. you don't need to be motivated at all... you just need the work ethic from everyone... it may not come right away... or at all for that matter, but Aki Berg, Jeff O'Neill, Allison haven't done anything to be cut from the team... that is a possibility! and Quinn hasn't done anything wrong to be fired... in fact he's probably expelled more energy than Peter Laviolette in challenging his team to do better. or possibly not.... it doesn't matter. coaches rarely get fired for doing a bad job. rather, firing a coach is a statement used to shake up the system and sometimes results in success and sometimes not. the same is when a franchise player is dealt... it's not the FP that is the team's weakness. It's just nothing else worked.

all the leafs can do is keep working through it. it's probably too late to make the playoffs now, but is still within reach if they find something that works...

 

[21pro]

didn't see the game... had more fun watching Pittsburgh beat Montreal...

Rangers 5 - Leafs 2

after tonight's shining effort, the leafs now have to maintain a record no weaker than this:

13 Wins, 2 Losses and 1 OverTime Loss for the leafs to see round 1.

PHNINE- please get back soon... i'm getting depressed keeping this thread going!

 

[A-ROD]

These guys are supposed to be pros, they should be motivated by the dollars they make.
I believe that they loose interest if the coach screws up too often. Quin has screwed up most of the last few years. Antropov with Sundin, c'mon how the hell do you think Sundin feels everytime he looks at this guy on his wing.

Allison played most of the season with Domi. I agree with most people, Allison is slow but IMO he is one of the better playmakers in the league. Watch how many times he lays the puck in the slot and there is nobody in the slot.

These guys aren't being instructed to play hockey 101 and to shoot. That is the coaches fault.

I agree with new2game. Being a former coach means diddly squat, unless you coached the same team that Quinn is now coaching.

I would bring in a new coach immediately and let him work with JFjr and the scouts to start the process of building a team for next year.

 

[turbonurd]

Coaches better than Quinn

To the list of 10 coaches better than Quinn, how about adding one not currently coaching in the NHL

Ted Nolan

 

[new2game]

How true...

To the list of 10 coaches better than Quinn, how about adding one not currently coaching in the NHL

Ted Nolan

...but who's corn flakes did Ted Nolan piss in to have him passed over for so many head coaching jobs???....


N2G

 

[I_AmCdn]

...but who's corn flakes did Ted Nolan piss in to have him passed over for so many head coaching jobs???....


N2G

Are there any other non-white head coaches in the NHL??

 

[I_AmCdn]

Give a rest re; the Laffs. They are gone. Move on to baseball

 

[21pro]

Are there any other non-white head coaches in the NHL??

yes. there are Greek and Italian coaches.

 

[21pro]

oops! screwed up earlier post by accidently editing it... read quote:

didn't see the game... had more fun watching Pittsburgh beat Montreal...

Rangers 5 - Leafs 2

after tonight's shining effort, the leafs now have to maintain a record no weaker than this:

13 Wins, 2 Losses and 1 OverTime Loss for the leafs to see round 1.

PHNINE- please get back soon... i'm getting depressed keeping this thread going!

 

[A-ROD]

...but who's corn flakes did Ted Nolan piss in to have him passed over for so many head coaching jobs???.... N2G

He shit in John Mucklers cornflakes. GM's have a close relationship and I am sure share many details that we are not privy to.

I believe it will be a cold day in hell before you see Nolan back in the NHL.

He has himself to blame for an awful lot of it. He's had shots at head coaching gigs elsewhere, he won't coach in the AHL despite offers and is uninterested in being an assistant to anyone else. If he had taken some of these jobs he might have a got a shot.

As for Toronto, I personally think he'd be an awful fit there. His ego is BIG.

 

[sorely]

Go Leafs! Go!

The game tonight was pretty good. I am glad to of seen Sundin back. Eddie was pretty good in net, but you can tell he is getting old. Where is Oneil? He seems to be a non-presence on the ice. Lindross was good and skated well, and Wellwood certainly looks like a bright up and commer.

All in all, the leafs played well tonight....

LEAFS WIN 5-3

They're sure "GOing" fast !

 

[21pro]

Leafs 1 - Penguins 0

interesting thing about pittsburgh... they had 12 players dressed up tonight that are AHL players for most of this season. i've never seen that before... they actually looked pretty good.

leafs move up to 10th spot at 68 pts in chase for 8th... montreal holds 8th spot at 71pts. montreal has 1 game in hand over toronto.

both toronto and montreal have a fairly easy schedule going forward... with a slight edge in favour of montreal. we'll have a better idea of who's gonna see the playoffs after mont. and tor. play 2x's later this week.

5 of the 15 games for toronto are against the bottom 5 teams.

8 of the remaining 16 games for montreal are against these bottom 5 teams.

so, montreal has a little edge, but toronto just beat a team that montreal couldn't (pittsburgh)... it really may be close right until the end because both teams montreal and toronto have the same sort of consistency problems... it seems like neither team deserves post season play.

 

[the_big_E]

Leafs have a fairly easy schedule? @Carolina, @New Jersey, @Phillyx2, Buffalo x3, vs Ottawa....meanwhile Montreal has 10 straight vs the bottom 6 of the Eastern Conference. And not to mention they've been shit on the road this year.

I've said it all along, lets suppose they do make the playoffs they'll will just get demolished in the first round.