good answer. lol. and your team Chicago is what 30 pts behind Calgary instead of ahead? as you predicted? lol21pro said:
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21pro said:
geez i even quoted you on it...but ill help you again. that there are other cities much better at supporting a losing team....paraphrased that time. Hope that helps. Not that i dont believe you on that one but just curious as to who you think
no. my team is Pittsburgh... and i fucked up royal on both the Pens and Blackhawks.
now, you were mentioning that Dimitri's cum is a little salty?
now, you were mentioning that Dimitri's cum is a little salty?
ok
Pittsburgh, Columbus and Washington's season ticket numbers are all up from last season.
ok.. well great rookies explains the excitement in 2 places, but Columbus fans don't boo their players when Berard has the lowest +/- in the league and is on for almost every single CBJ goal against... they still cheer him on. Aki Berg is playing better than Berard... the support would never happen in Toronto.
Pittsburgh, Columbus and Washington's season ticket numbers are all up from last season.
ok.. well great rookies explains the excitement in 2 places, but Columbus fans don't boo their players when Berard has the lowest +/- in the league and is on for almost every single CBJ goal against... they still cheer him on. Aki Berg is playing better than Berard... the support would never happen in Toronto.
yes you did fuck up big time! on the Coliacovo thing too. And as far as Dumitri goes you seem to know alot more about him that I do. You tell me. But it appears since you wanna take it there you know you are wrong. Dumitri? geez...lol21pro said:
but, the real problem is that the leafs aren't a losing team. their about similar to San Jose... yet the fans in SJ are ecstatic about their team this season, when common leaf logic would dictate that they would be heavily disappointed... the sharks spent much of the 2003-4 season in first place in the Pacific Division and was expected to do the same this year... instead they spent time this season with the 3rd worst record in the entire league! but the fans supported them throughout the difficulties.MojoRisin' said:
you can see why it is easier to rise from 28 up to 17th when your team is supported by your fans. it's just that much easier to build momentum...
the leafs were once at 11th in the league and now sit at 22nd. injuries aren't any different than any other team right now... in fact they are much healthier than Carolina and Philadelphia at the moment. so that can't be the problem... according to Sundin, the attitude is great, they're confident and they 'have a great group of guys'... they also have one of the greatest coaches in the nhl right now.... can't be any of those... but do you think the fans can get into the back of the mind of some of the leafs... like Belfour who listens to 75+ minutes of it each home game he plays??? maybe not, too... he is strong headed... but it's my opinion that the booing can have an effect.
ps. sorry 'bout Dimitri... he loves the attention and i knew you'd be able to take the joke.
im assuming you are joking when you compare the expectations and interest level of San Jose fans with Leaf fans? Much of the rest I also assume you are joking about too such as the Leafs having the best coach? hmmmmm I think im done with this one if you arent going to be serious
hey, all i am saying is that Toronto fans are the hardest on their players... the leaf fans think they have that right of passage.... but it does make it harder to play for a team that isn't supported by their fans.
would you mind listing 10 present coaches better than Quinn?
would you mind listing 10 present coaches better than Quinn?
Toronto players also get put on a pedistal and are looked at as more than they are as well at times.21pro said:
And yes ill give you 10 I feel are better than Quinn. I could do more too.
Crawford
Ruff
Sutter
Hitchcock
Renny
Lamerillo
Tippett
Sutter
Babcock
Trotz
hmmm theres 10 that come to mind.
too wordy for me. my IQ can't decipher what that means...MojoRisin' said:
your list shows alot of great coaches, but some have little experience coaching struggling teams. Quinn's been through it all.
Crawford - always has a strong team to coach
Ruff - Ted Nolan is probably better than this guy (brought a team from dead last to winning NE division title)
Sutter - he's apparently a good 'mind-fucker'... probably will be a great coach
Hitchcock - the most experienced one of the bunch
Renny - i can't say he's ever lifted a poorly performing team.
Lamerillo - probably a better manager... excellent either way.. one of the best for sure.
Tippett - very smart offensive minded coach, but little nhl experience and never had to coach a team that wasn't going to make playoffs.
Sutter - did we do him already?... or do you mean the other Sutter... he's not current, is he?
Babcock - great coach.
Trotz - give him a struggling team and he aint going anywhere with it.
personally, i think Quinn can coach with any of these guys... but, he may need managing position as well to have total control... I'd agree that Hitchcock, Lamerillo, and Babcock may be comparable... the others i am not so sure about. don't get me wrong... Quinn isn't THEE BEST... he is one of the top coaches available though...
just my opinion. let's face it. Quinn is getting old and we definitely have to look towards a replacement... is Paul Maurice it? i don't think he'll do the job. but, I have been wrong about Chicago, right?
Quinn WAS a great coach at one time. No way is he now. Tell me what makes him a great coach NOW? (ill go to bed now and log in tomorrow with interest) All the coaches regardless of your "reasons" are better coaches than Quinn is right now21pro said:
and yes you were wrong about the Chicago thing and the San Jose thing and the Coliacavo thing and....well im tired.
oh and I meant Laviolette instead of typing Sutter twice. I did say i was tired
i'm just saying that your statement is not the reason that Allison is not one of the top 2 in the league... the best are guilty of the same mistakes, yet they wouldn't be criticized for it.Foxbat said:
and Thornton scores alot of the same goals as Allison. Thornton is at an elite level, however... but Allison has probably performed the best out of any of the leafs forwards this season. you agree? No?
What leaf player hasn't been criticized this year? I say relax, they are all trying their hardest, giving the circumstances... and if they weren't, I don't think they'd be there.
Mojo- i'm going to bed now too... My 1601st post and I haven't reviewed a SP, MPA or dancer since my 601st... maybe a good time to retire this nonesense...
Buf wins 3-1...
I liked the effort by all on both teams... was a good game. some nice hits.
Allison was my only upset... why doesn't he backcheck? he's good offensively and gels well with Sundin, but fuck, he doesn't even skate 1/2 a stride to come back and check his man... Grier on the 2nd Buf goal... brutal.. it would have been an easy play to break up, considering Grier came from behind Allison, with no momentum at all (came off the bench, i think)... woulda been an easy check... even a stick check woulda dunnit for Allison... but, no.
I liked the effort by all on both teams... was a good game. some nice hits.
Allison was my only upset... why doesn't he backcheck? he's good offensively and gels well with Sundin, but fuck, he doesn't even skate 1/2 a stride to come back and check his man... Grier on the 2nd Buf goal... brutal.. it would have been an easy play to break up, considering Grier came from behind Allison, with no momentum at all (came off the bench, i think)... woulda been an easy check... even a stick check woulda dunnit for Allison... but, no.
I was at the game tonight (I only drove, though) and judging by the comments here, it must have looked better on TV. The first period and a half were really slow. It did pick up a bit in the second half but all night long it seemed like the Leafs passed when they should have shot and shot when they should have passed. Tellqvist was pretty steady. Too bad he gave up the rebound on Grier's goal because he made a nice save on the initial shot. He also got lucky on that one that clanked off the post in the second.
I was at the game as well and I agree with shack...shack said:
I have come to the conclusion that the Leaf problem is coaching.
If they had played even 1/2 season the way they played last night (disciplined and with some energy) they would be in the playoffs.
They have the skill to be a palyoff team (not a cup contender). Why couldn't Quinn get them to play the way they did last night for the previous 30 games or so?
They have a few useless pylons (Berg, Antrapov) but every team in the league has a couple of them and they seem to be able to overcome.
Quinn was on the air crying to the media... "they didn't shoot the puck enough", I agree. But dammit he is the farkin' coach, and he can't even get them to shoot on net more often?
And putting Antrapov with Sundin? Any other winger on the team would be a better fit.
The players are now playing for themselves, not for Quinn. A coach that can't motivate or make his team play basic hockey 101 is useless.
OMG dont do that you'll get 21pro all in tizzy...lol. I agree totally btw (with you not 21pro) I like Quinn but he's a dinosaur and needs to move on. He doesnt seem to get it anymoreA-ROD said:
