lol beachball with an ironingboard...lol that is TFF...reminds me of the "hotdog down a hallway" analogy hehehe
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As much as I don't like watching the current edition of the Leafs...
I have to bring a customer to the game in Buffalo on Friday
I have to bring a customer to the game in Buffalo on Friday
WoW, some people really hate the leafs...
http://sports.dir.groups.yahoo.com/...(NHL)/Teams/Toronto_Maple_Leafs?show_groups=1
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Quinn's system hurts the guys and their faults instead of utilizing the strengths they have. He has the forwards too far back on the defense as opposed to clogging up the neutral zone ready to break lose on the offence.A-ROD said:Other than the young kids on the team.. there is nobody else who can skate fast enough to catch the other team.
Allison is so slow you have to put a chalk mark down to see if he's moved.
Sundin looks like his mind is elsewhere.
O'Neil skates in circles all night.
Lindros looks lost (ok he hasn't played much).
Belfour couldn't stop a beachball with an ironing board...
I will stop now
I can sit here until I'm blue in the face and point out the many faults with Quinn's system and how it can't work in the new NHL, but won't. Bottom line is his system is too susceptible to getting caught on your heals and trying to back check. He gives too much momentum on the rush to the opposition. This years leafs lack aggression and fore checking forcing turnovers. A couple of years ago it didn't matter as much because guys had to get organized in the neutral zone since 2 line passes were called for offside. Now, guys have the luxury of keeping a stones throw away from the opposition blue line waiting for the feed. The Leafs are caught in a danger zone.
Ok. Enough Quinn bashing for today.
You are indeed correct kirmit129.kirmit129 said:
The Leafs are playing a team from Checkoslovakia tonight. Second period and they are trailing by two.
I didn't realize that they still had the ice in at The Gardens.
some good comments but i don't think you quite hit the nail on the head...
they have a complicated problem that the best hockey experts can't fix, no matter what their opinion.
you don't think these guys wanna win?... common...
and perhaps not enough skill?
compare the 2nd, 3rd and 4th liners to that of a team like New Jersey... statistically, the leafs should be much stronger on every level... speed, more high draft picks, player history.... every angle you tackle the leafs 'should' be alot better. so, management is doing a fair job too.
bottom line is, in each game played, one team has to end being the loser and sometimes the combination of a team's best effort, best coaching and best management isn't enough. let's face it, this happens. i wouldn't know what to do to fix the problem myself, and i do have a hockey resume that i can be proud of, but nothing that would give me credentials even close to that of Quinn or JF jr... what to do... what to do...
all i can say is that those who think the leafs should build for 3 years down the road, that is a false strategy too, because they will never compete with the scouting abilities of Colorado, Detroit, Ottawa, and about 8 other teams that are rigged to be very strong for the next 10 years...
having the forwards clogging up the neutral zone is more dangerous than collapsing in their own zone... watch Carolina, they play the same system as the leafs.Toronto Passions said:
not Quinn's fault.. he isn't the one lacing them up. it's not the coach. in fact, most teams would quickly jump at the chance to land quinn in their arena as head coach of their squad.Toronto Passions said:
you're absolutely right. in danger of not making the post season.Toronto Passions said:
they have a complicated problem that the best hockey experts can't fix, no matter what their opinion.
you don't think these guys wanna win?... common...
and perhaps not enough skill?
compare the 2nd, 3rd and 4th liners to that of a team like New Jersey... statistically, the leafs should be much stronger on every level... speed, more high draft picks, player history.... every angle you tackle the leafs 'should' be alot better. so, management is doing a fair job too.
bottom line is, in each game played, one team has to end being the loser and sometimes the combination of a team's best effort, best coaching and best management isn't enough. let's face it, this happens. i wouldn't know what to do to fix the problem myself, and i do have a hockey resume that i can be proud of, but nothing that would give me credentials even close to that of Quinn or JF jr... what to do... what to do...
all i can say is that those who think the leafs should build for 3 years down the road, that is a false strategy too, because they will never compete with the scouting abilities of Colorado, Detroit, Ottawa, and about 8 other teams that are rigged to be very strong for the next 10 years...
21pro said:
Not my opinion. I feel as though collapsing in your own zone simply allows the other team to set up shop and have a shooting spree. It's like a constant power play for the other guys. When you clog the center zone and force turn overs, at least the chase is on if you give up a rush. No time to set for the other guys. I'm one that feels strong forechecking forcing turnovers is the best way to go these days.
I don't think the leafs are even playing Quinn's REAL system anymore. The 98 leafs didn't even skate the same as the current leafs. The 98 leafs played more of a wide open, free skating, play the puck (not the man) style. That is what Quinn even used to say after a loss in those days, which I agree on. Now all they do is play the man and pin against the boards.
Now the leafs are playing a desperate and sloppy style. I feel that is the result of a tired mind behind the players. They are always back on their heals hoping for a miss and turnover instead of forcing a turnover. It's lazy "Mike Murphy" wishfull thinking, sloppy hockey.
We can debate this all day. Bottom line is many changes are needed. Hey, perhaps Luongo can be in blue and white next year and perhaps Quinn is better off elsewhere. Lol.
What to do???
...like the traders on the stock exchange floor...SELL SELL SELL !!! ...no way the Leafs should be buyers at the trade deadline. With upcoming games against Buffalo,Ottawa and Montreal before the trade deadline,they should be on a six game losing streak..and totally out of the playoff picture. Tucker would draw some decent returns, as would Mc Cabe,and of course Sundin
The rest of the guys I'd like to see moved, Allison, O'Neill, Khavanov,Antropov,Domi,Klee,,Berg, Belfour,Belak...you couldn't get a bag of pucks for that whole group combined...so we're stuck with them... some very lean times ahead for Leaf Nation ......
N2G
...like the traders on the stock exchange floor...SELL SELL SELL !!! ...no way the Leafs should be buyers at the trade deadline. With upcoming games against Buffalo,Ottawa and Montreal before the trade deadline,they should be on a six game losing streak..and totally out of the playoff picture. Tucker would draw some decent returns, as would Mc Cabe,and of course Sundin
The rest of the guys I'd like to see moved, Allison, O'Neill, Khavanov,Antropov,Domi,Klee,,Berg, Belfour,Belak...you couldn't get a bag of pucks for that whole group combined...so we're stuck with them... some very lean times ahead for Leaf Nation ......
N2G
true, if not done correctly.Toronto Passions said:
no doubt the leafs are playing sloppy and desperate... their unconfident.
i actually strongly support what Quinn is trying to do with the team. out of the current active nhl coaches, he's probably top 8 with his knowledge and adaptability to the varying opposition. however, the players may be having poor follow through.... i don't know, but that's what it seems like. if that's the case, you need more leadership on the ice.
detroit is a good example of a team that follows coach's instructions to a 'T'... ottawa, though successful, is poor at following exactly what the coach wants. they have too many players that want to do things their own way. if that continues for the sens, and i think it will cause i saw it again tonight..., they won't have a hope in hell for post season success.
some players are just really good at following through with exactly what the coach wants...
Ryan Smyth
Kris Draper
Shane Doan
Teemu Selanne
Joe Thornton
Mike Peca
Steve Konowalchuk
to name a few...
oh and i heard on the Detroit at Anaheim game that Sean Avery is on the trading block from L.A..- would he provide the pestiness that some leaf fans think we're missing?
i don't know.... it didn't work when Corson or Gilmour was here.
i don't know.... it didn't work when Corson or Gilmour was here.
It's looking bleak for the Leafs..
...Canadiens win tonight, they're now 5 up on the Leafs, both having played 58 games...Leafs are now in 10th...If they don't get at least 3 of four off of Buffalo and Ottawa...AND beat ther Canadiens on Tuesday, call it a year..
N2G
...Canadiens win tonight, they're now 5 up on the Leafs, both having played 58 games...Leafs are now in 10th...If they don't get at least 3 of four off of Buffalo and Ottawa...AND beat ther Canadiens on Tuesday, call it a year..
N2G
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don't you think they really need 4 of 4 N2G? after all, montreal is gonna win quite a few games still this season, cementing 8th spot and it doesn't look like 7th or 6th spot is within reach.
will be exciting to see what happens though... i love the suspense.
i'd like to see boston make the playoffs given how hard they've been playing while lacking much skill.
will be exciting to see what happens though... i love the suspense.
i'd like to see boston make the playoffs given how hard they've been playing while lacking much skill.
You're probably right, Pro
probably do need 4...but gotta leave a small window for optimism if they are not perfect this weekend ..hell the world would stop dead in it's tracks if they took all 4 points ...and unlike you, I'm not sold on the Canadiens, I think they are gonna go into a Leafs type tailspin before all is said and done this season..
N2G
21pro said:
probably do need 4...but gotta leave a small window for optimism if they are not perfect this weekend ..hell the world would stop dead in it's tracks if they took all 4 points ...and unlike you, I'm not sold on the Canadiens, I think they are gonna go into a Leafs type tailspin before all is said and done this season..
N2G
MLSE has issued their playoff tickets to season ticket subscribers.
Currently they are out of the playoff picture but the right trade could change that.
Matt Stajan, Steffan Kronvall, Justin Pogge and a 1st round pick in the 2006 entry draft to the LA Kings for Jeremy Roenick.
Currently they are out of the playoff picture but the right trade could change that.
Matt Stajan, Steffan Kronvall, Justin Pogge and a 1st round pick in the 2006 entry draft to the LA Kings for Jeremy Roenick.
Matt Stajan, Steffan Kronvall, Justin Pogge and a 1st round pick in the 2006 entry draft to the LA Kings for Jeremy Roenick.
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If they were to do that trade ,someone surely must be on crack..all that for Roenick,please.........................
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If they were to do that trade ,someone surely must be on crack..all that for Roenick,please.........................
If the Leafs lose against the Sens tomorrow, we may see Paul Maurice by either this Tuesday against the Habs, or next Friday against the Ilse.
Blow it up time is here...
...Tonights game confirms it...Sabres 6 Leafs 2...let the fire sale begin....Sundin, McCabe,Tucker, Antripov,Domi,Allison,Belfour,O'Neill...hell there really isn't an untouchable on this team...I want a major shakeup...including that blockhead Quinn,...and not at the end of the season..I want Quinn gone ASAP...he's lost this team. Their biggest game of the season and they start the 1st 6 mins getting outshot 8-1??..and Quinn's theory " The Sabres are tough in this rink they come at you hard"...well when the hell is your team gonna start doing that??...Other than Sundin...the rest of this team ghoes through the motions...tiem to build form the ground up, and us Leaf fans will have to suffer with the growing pains ..
N2G
...Tonights game confirms it...Sabres 6 Leafs 2...let the fire sale begin....Sundin, McCabe,Tucker, Antripov,Domi,Allison,Belfour,O'Neill...hell there really isn't an untouchable on this team...I want a major shakeup...including that blockhead Quinn,...and not at the end of the season..I want Quinn gone ASAP...he's lost this team. Their biggest game of the season and they start the 1st 6 mins getting outshot 8-1??..and Quinn's theory " The Sabres are tough in this rink they come at you hard"...well when the hell is your team gonna start doing that??...Other than Sundin...the rest of this team ghoes through the motions...tiem to build form the ground up, and us Leaf fans will have to suffer with the growing pains ..
N2G
How many times was McCabe ahead of Sundin on almost any attempt to rush tonight?
I'm sure the TML head office is pretty clear on the fact that this is one sloppy and confused team. They keep getting pressured in their own end, they look very confused and messy with the puck cycle in opposition territory down low, their point feeds from the cycle are almost always long and intercepted (usually causing odd man rushes), nobody is in proper position and they take way too many dumb penalties because of it. This team is in a mercy position too often in their own end.
All of these things warrant a coaching change. All of these things require a mental strategy jolt!!! Nothing against Quinn, it's just a part of the natural "cycle of life" in the professional sporting world.
BTW- Quinn had Antropov and Sundin on the top line to start off tonights game. I guess you could say two centers don't make a right.
I'm sure the TML head office is pretty clear on the fact that this is one sloppy and confused team. They keep getting pressured in their own end, they look very confused and messy with the puck cycle in opposition territory down low, their point feeds from the cycle are almost always long and intercepted (usually causing odd man rushes), nobody is in proper position and they take way too many dumb penalties because of it. This team is in a mercy position too often in their own end.
All of these things warrant a coaching change. All of these things require a mental strategy jolt!!! Nothing against Quinn, it's just a part of the natural "cycle of life" in the professional sporting world.
BTW- Quinn had Antropov and Sundin on the top line to start off tonights game. I guess you could say two centers don't make a right.
Don't feel so bad, we're not that bad. The Chicago Cubs haven't been to the World Series in 61 years, the Leafs still have 22 years to go.
Here's what wrong with this franchise:
The Leafs best chance to win the Cup was in 2002, after that year it was a case of diminishing returns. That year, the Leafs had the Devils on the ropes and should have eliminated them. Instead Tie Dummy goes Bertuzzi and elbows Scott Niedermeyer in the face; the Devils rally to win the series. Tie Dummy should have never been allowed back on the team, instead he's still here and getting a salary that grossly exceeds his talent.
As for that trade I mentioned, the Leafs have done it before when they brought back Wendel Clark and when they got Owen Nolan.
And, yes, Mats Sundin should leave. He's done all that he could for this franchise and has been unappreciated for it. He'll probably win the Stanley Cup with whichever team he goes to.
Here's what wrong with this franchise:
The Leafs best chance to win the Cup was in 2002, after that year it was a case of diminishing returns. That year, the Leafs had the Devils on the ropes and should have eliminated them. Instead Tie Dummy goes Bertuzzi and elbows Scott Niedermeyer in the face; the Devils rally to win the series. Tie Dummy should have never been allowed back on the team, instead he's still here and getting a salary that grossly exceeds his talent.
As for that trade I mentioned, the Leafs have done it before when they brought back Wendel Clark and when they got Owen Nolan.
And, yes, Mats Sundin should leave. He's done all that he could for this franchise and has been unappreciated for it. He'll probably win the Stanley Cup with whichever team he goes to.
