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kyleb899

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What up with people wanting to get booster shot and , getting rapid covid test. People so fuckin scared still. I'm not getting my booster shot, it not going make difference, I did my 2 doses that it. This Omicron variant is not deadly at all, hospitals numbers still low, it just more transmitted than the previous variants,

Guess people want covid rapid test for Christmas lol 😆
 
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massman

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What up with people wanting to get booster shot and , getting rapid covid test. People so fuckin scared still. I'm not getting my booster shot, it not going make difference, I did my 2 doses that it. This Omicron variant is not deadly at all, hospitals numbers still low, it just more transmitted than the previous variants,

Guess people want covid rapid test for Christmas lol 😆
Unfortunately you are wrong on all counts. With 2 shots you only have about 30% protection against getting infected. That gets to 70-80 after booster. Hospital numbers are two weeks behind infections. The UK is in crisis with growing hospitalization combined with too many healthcare workers out of work with covid. And we have no real idea if this is less severe. The South African data is in a completely different population than ours. Even if it’s half as deadly, if 4x as many are inflected…you can do the math.
 
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shack

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As to what has been clogging up our medical system for decades it's a logical point.
But they are not analogous.

Covid is contagious and those are not. So failure to change one's habits does not endanger dozens if not hundreds of others. As such the burden on the healthcare system can grow exponentially with covid but not with obesity or smoking.

There is no "cure" or "quick and permanent (relatively)" fix for obesity and smoking like the vaccine for covid. Those require lifestyle changes which are much more difficult to achieve as opposed to getting several shots.
 
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The Oracle

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Unfortunately you are wrong on all counts. With 2 shots you only have about 30% protection against getting infected. That gets to 70-80 after booster. Hospital numbers are two weeks behind infections. The UK is in crisis with growing hospitalization combined with too many healthcare workers out of work with covid. And we have no real idea if this is less severe. The South African data is in a completely different population than ours. Even if it’s half as deadly, if 4x as many are inflected…you can do the math.

Doesn't sound like the UK is ''crisis'' to me.....

Symptoms are being reported as to be similar to the common cold.
 

shack

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He said the unvaxxed were putting a strain on ICU capacity.
Actually, capacity is determined by how much resources and manpower there is. The unvaxxed put a strain on our healthcare system as a whole. They take up a disproportionate amount of resources.

So if you're going to say that then state the exact number of vaxxed ICU admissions and deaths vs the unvaxxed to support your argument.
Not required as I explained the concept in my previous post. Failure of the unvaxxed to do the proper thing can increase the strain on the healthcare system exponentially. They can spread the disease 10 or 20 fold. An obese individual cannot pass it on and create more obese people. The concept is irrefutable.

And also distinguish between who is dying with covid and who is dying because of covid........Because that is a whole different kettle of fish.
This has been discussed dozens of times. Our public heath boards determine that using their parameters. It is the right wing anti-vaxxers who try to Muddy the Waters. Exactly like you are attempting and failing to do right now. It is simply a ruse, and a poor one at that.
 
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This is something that should have been under seriours consideration in Canada. As healthcare is a provincial matter, there are many different opinions in each provinces.

While Omicron can escape immunity and easily can reinfect people. I still state Ford latest action is just small step. Lockdown will impact many people lives but that is the only solution. We all need to be on 3 dosage by now. Further restrictions should be placed on people who refuse to get vaccinated and walk freely among us.
 

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I keep hearing conflicting messages about the severity of omicron: Many doctors seem to think it is less serious in its health effects but regulatory panels/agencies have asserted the opposite.

I dunno…hospitalizations will probably increase simply due to the high transmissibility of this variant, tho…so I still think public safety measures are appropriate.
 

massman

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I keep hearing conflicting messages about the severity of omicron: Many doctors seem to think it is less serious in its health effects but regulatory panels/agencies have asserted the opposite.

I dunno…hospitalizations will probably increase simply due to the high transmissibility of this variant, tho…so I still think public safety measures are appropriate.
the reason there are conflicting messages is that the early experience in South Africa suggested that it was less severe. However the average age of infected was 27, here it’ll be in the40s. In addition, much of the population there has already had alpha, beta, delta etc, so there could be a lot of natural immunity. We don’t know how it will behave in our population. The widespread vaccination we have will help blunt the severe impacts, but looking at the UK, they are seeing rapid rise in hospitalization (>25% in London in a week) most of which is omicron.
We just don’t know if it’s milder. We can’t count on that yet.
 
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kyleb899

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Unfortunately you are wrong on all counts. With 2 shots you only have about 30% protection against getting infected. That gets to 70-80 after booster. Hospital numbers are two weeks behind infections. The UK is in crisis with growing hospitalization combined with too many healthcare workers out of work with covid. And we have no real idea if this is less severe. The South African data is in a completely different population than ours. Even if it’s half as deadly, if 4x as many are inflected…you can do the math.
Don't live in fear, this variant is less deadly, it just more transmitted than previous variants. I'm not in high risk group, I don't need the booster shot.
I know lots of people are not taking the booster shot,
 

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I was just speaking to a friend of mine. She’s 26. Her response to all this summed it up perfectly. “It’s very very lame”. When did we become a bunch of nerds.
 

massman

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Don't live in fear, this variant is less deadly, it just more transmitted than previous variants. I'm not in high risk group, I don't need the booster shot.
I know lots of people are not taking the booster shot,
Did you read what i said? We dont yet know if it’s less deadly. Even if it is, if you get it, you can still spread it to others who will get sick, you will get 10days of isolation and so will your contacts. Any of them run their own businesses? Work in essential jobs?

The fact that you know lots of people that aren’t taking the booster than can prevent them from getting infected, sick, fucking up their lives and that of their friends for 10 days, only means that you know a lot of people who aren’t very smart.
 
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kyleb899

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Did you read what i said? We dont yet know if it’s less deadly. Even if it is, if you get it, you can still spread it to others who will get sick, you will get 10days of isolation and so will your contacts. Any of them run their own businesses? Work in essential jobs?

The fact that you know lots of people that aren’t taking the booster than can prevent them from getting infected, sick, fucking up their lives and that of their friends for 10 days, only means that you know a lot of people who aren’t very smart.
You do realize that vaccine doesn't prevent getting covid, it just reduces serious illnesses, I did my 2 doses, that it ,
It doesn't makes sense taking booster shot ,after shot after shot , so every 3-6 months you need a booster lol
 
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