As this variant doubles every 2 days. We will be looking at 10K more cases in 10 days, We need lockdown ASAP. I can not believe Strip Clubs and MPA are still open. This is going to be ugly winter. I have had my 3 dosages but having these places open and majority not having 3rd dosage. He is always late.
Ford needs to ACT ASAP
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They are almost always late.
People don't understand exponential growth and so reacting on time by moving strong early gets you yelled at for overreacting.
So he will act too late and then people will complain it didn't work.
People don't understand exponential growth and so reacting on time by moving strong early gets you yelled at for overreacting.
So he will act too late and then people will complain it didn't work.
The Ford government infuriates me. For every good thing they do regarding COVID, they do three things that make no sense. I understand they face the pressure of having to decide whether a lockdown is needed, and the businesses that are freaking out about it. The growth in cases is only going to get worse. While there appears to be some evidence that Omicron isn't as deadly as Delta, it seems to spread at three times the pace.
I think we're beyond the time where we can expect Doug and the Slugs to do the right thing at the right time. I can totally see schools closed in January. I mean, you can't get a rapid test easily in this province (unless you're a business), while New Brunswick (or Nova Scotia) sent millions of kits to their citizens. It's a cluster fuck.
I think we're beyond the time where we can expect Doug and the Slugs to do the right thing at the right time. I can totally see schools closed in January. I mean, you can't get a rapid test easily in this province (unless you're a business), while New Brunswick (or Nova Scotia) sent millions of kits to their citizens. It's a cluster fuck.
Which is also stupid and also for the same reasons - they don't want the backlash so they will wait until it is too late.
It's the large events that are causing the problem is my guess.
You see people at Leafs, Raptors games with no mask on at all. Then include OHL, Major Indoor Lacrosse games, Jr. B games. It's crazy. And not word of fines being given out to either individuals or the MLSE or other arena's.
You see people at Leafs, Raptors games with no mask on at all. Then include OHL, Major Indoor Lacrosse games, Jr. B games. It's crazy. And not word of fines being given out to either individuals or the MLSE or other arena's.
Why the fuck you what another lockdown, majority of us had enough with that. Hospital numbers are not rising. I had enough with this bs, I doubt he will placed another lockdown, he doesn't want impose that
Only morons want another lockdown..
Leafs and Raptors limited to %50 capacity, soon they will be playing in front of no fans to not playing at all.
It looks like they moved up the booster eligibility by two weeks, starting next Monday the 20th from Jan 4.
And the morons who refuse to get vaccinated/boostered are prolonging the whole ordeal.
What do they think will happen with no vax, no booster and no lockdown?
People now would rather just let it burn. No comprehension of exponential growth, no understanding of hospital/ death as indicators that are two weeks behind. And DGAF about anyone but themselves. Our government is no better, with each wave they wait till it’s too late, which only makes whatever restrictions they impose less effective and far more prolonged. Now with a virus growing at least 4x faster, we are really fucked. The broadening of vaccine eligibility is a great idea, but it’s a month too late. No way boosters can prevent a massive wave of omicron that will grind our economy to a halt just as well as a lockdown. Even before omicron we should’ve been giving boosters in November to avoid the inevitable spike of delta we would see as people spend more time inside and at Christmas. Our policy makers have had 5 chances to get this right and are incapable of learning. You know why? It’s because their goal is NOT to do the best thing to limit damage due to the pandemic (which, for all you “what about the lives lost due to lockdowns, vaccines etc” types, would have been catastrophic to the economy and healthcare and mental health and education etc if left unchecked), rather their whole goal is to tread a tightrope, calculating what they think the least damaging strategy is for re-election. And fence sitting and picking their nose to see which way the wind will blow in terms of opinion. And by the time they get off the pot, and make a decision, it’s too late. FFS. This is not leadership in a time of crisis, it’s selfish narcissism. This pandemic has been such a huge indictment of our leaders and after it’s all over they should all be fired.
And it’s rubbed off on society. I’ve spoken to so many people today who don’t want a booster because they are “sick of covid”, as if that’ll teach the virus a lesson for being such a prick. Or “I’ve done enough already“, as if the virus fucking cares. “Because you hurt me, I’ll hurt myself more”. 2 year olds have more logic.
I’m in a save myself mode here. More or less stopped caring if others don’t want to help themselves or others. Fuckem. I’m taking it easy in terms of contact outside my home, I’ve got #3, and I’m wearing effective masks in public and not going to hockey or concerts or travelling for the foreseeable future. If I get together with a few family, we all will rapid test before we meet.
To hell with the rest who have opted out. They will get their comeuppance. At the rate of infection with o EVERYONE will get exposed to omicron, likely within less than a month. (Remember -“they tell two friends and they tell two friends, and so on, and so on and so on…. every three days 2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1024…….). And if you haven’t done everything you can to protect yourself, you WILL get it. 2 shots only give about 30% protection, and you will be multiply exposed, so multiple chances to get in on the rest of the 70%. BEST case scenario, you isolate for ten days. And all of your close contacts (who will hate you for being a stupid fucking ass and not taking what precautions you could and exposing them) and all the people you infect, and they infect. That’s an exponential damage to business, productivity, economy and healthcare. Think about the number of workers out for ten days, doubling every 3 days. do the fucking math.
Now don’t get me wrong. I HATE this shit. I hate lockdowns and imposing on my freedom, my job and my fun. TBH, have considered just peaceing out for a while, and going somewhere by myself off the grid for fucks sakes since living in a city where you can’t enjoy shit, can’t see your family and friends, can’t travel, etc is pointless and beyond depressing. Let me reiterate. I fucking hate this shit. I feel like I’ve been going through the motions for nearly 2 years, everything stalled. It fucking sucks. Life has lost a lot of its enjoyment and meaning.
But I also know that the longer they fuck around and dither, again and again and again, and “wait for indicators like icu cases going up” any measure they ultimately end up doing anyway at the last minute (that they could have done a month earlier) to prevent us from turning trauma victims or your mom or dad or grandma with a saveable critical illness, away from icus to die because we can’t look after them, (sorry sir, your mom has a bad infection, and she can’t breathe on her own. The good news this is treatable, with antibiotics and a couple days on the ventilator. Bad news is, we have no room to provide this level of care, so she will die because she can’t get enough oxygen, until the antibiotics kick in a couple days). will be much less effective, and will last MUCH longer.
but that’s just my opinion, man.
I have qty 2 shots so far. I am not 50 years old so I have to wait until I can book an appointment for my 3rd shot of Maderna! I personally don't know anyone who is not (eligible to be) vaxxed personally or professionally.
Im sure we can all agree lockdowns are not good for the economy. I can also appreciate the Hospital systems needs to function.
We also know that health care seems to making all the recommendations to Doug Ford. What I would love to know is
1. What recommendation Doug Ford has said "no" to over the last 20 months?
2. Why our Health care system is so fragile compared to the USA?
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Look at Kingston. Ford need pro-active not just reactive. Nobody wants another lockdown but with a variant doubling itself every 2 days. Do you think our healthcare system can handle it? We know from limiited studies in other countries vaccine is not as effective against this variaant. At least the ontario govt increasingn booster to 200K per day . Just look around to other countries in Europe and how devasting this varinat is.
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Come on now. You know damn well that you can catch and spread COVID as a vaccinated person. And getting a booster doesn’t change that fact either.
COVID is prolonging this. It is a virus that is not going anywhere. Omicron is infecting vaccinated as well and more variants will happen.
Would we be worse without vaccines - yes but at this point, so many have the vaccine already and we still have infections among both groups. If we were a 100% vaccinated country, we would still see a rise in cases right now.
The two dose series does reduce the chance of catching and spreading delta, reducing it by about 80%. With omicron, that drops to about 30. Booster restores that to 70-80%.
So yes there are infections in vaccinated individuals no doubt, who can spread it. But vaccines do reduce that, not eliminating it, but with three doses even with new variant, there is a major reduction in risk of infection. And more importantly major protection against severe illness.
There are many hospitals in the states on the verge of collapse, though likely because much of medicine is a profit based business, there are more hospitals and beds, so maybe less of an impact. But when places like Mayo are sending out notices to their community that they are overwhelmed and please get vaxxed and stay home, there is a problem there too.
Did you read what I wrote? I don’t need a lesson in vaccines. I have mine.
I’m not questioning the reduction. Or the need for boosters but to blame all the prolonged dealings of COVID strictly on the unvaccinated is a bunch of bullshit.
COVID is a virus that is always changing. Even with 100% vaccination in Canada, we would still see a rise in cases right now. Shack likes to blame everything on the unvaxxed which is simply not the case. COVID - vaxxed or not, is not going anywhere anytime soon. We are not even trying to stop COVID as a global effort. We are only trying reduce death and hospital stays. So again, to blame the prolonged dealings of COVID on unvaxxed only is a bullshit and that was mine entire point.
You are right, and as I wrote I agree that you can get and spread even with 3 doses. I guess I misinterpreted your statement “getting a booster doesn’t change that”. Getting a booster does change the odds of getting infected, however, now I realize what you are saying is that it doesn’t eliminate risk.
People who don’t get vaccinated will increase the reservoir of virus in the community, infect more people because they shed more virus, and increase strain on healthcare because they get sicker. And as we have seen in countries with low vaccine rates, the more virus, the more infections and the more spread leads to mutations, some of which will make the virus even more trouble. So I agree with him that the un/ undervaccinated are a major problem, and we’d be much better off if we didn’t have the holdouts who are scared, misinformed or just idiots. but you are right, even if we had 100% coverage, we’d still see some breakthrough infections and the pandemic would not be magically over. This virus is a bastard
There is no but. I’m right and my point was made. I agree with getting vaccinated, I agree with the boosters but to blame the complete prolonging of COVID on unvaxxed and not the virus itself is just plain ignorant and spreading a false narrative to force a personal agenda. That is what I was pointing out and I’m correct in stating that fact.
