Irrelevant.
The IPCC issues projections for the surface temperature.
Those projections are measured by taking the global surface temperature.
Not the temperature in the clouds.
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The IPCC issues projections for the surface temperature.
Those projections are measured by taking the global surface temperature.
Not the temperature in the clouds.
First week of May and the fires are back.
This is the new normal.
congrats
good thing burn acreage is down significantly and co2 does not cause forest fires
co2 is used in fire extinguishers
But the majority of forest fires were started by people. That has been proven and statistically factual.
So who are the climate conspiracy theorists and alarmists here?
and look at the mess of the projections by IPCC models
The failed climate models are an attempt to predict future data via an attempt to code physics theory into a computer program.
Predictions which cant replicate the past -- fail
Predictions which do not agree with other models -- fail. There is no way these bozos got the physics theory right when the distribution of Predictions is such a mess
Predictions which do not agree with other confirmed satellite/ weather balloon observations-- fail.
overall grade: fail
and it is these failed climate models, which are the basis for all the catastrophic propaganda
You still cannot understand the simple fact is that in the past when forest fires were deliberately started, then they were brought under control in a more concise manner.
With the present Climate Change factored in, now just look at the various forest fires in Provinces like BC, Alberta and other Prairie Provinces and this early in the year:
‘Panic and anxiety’: Western Canada continues evacuations as wildfires rage on | Globalnews.ca
Smoke from the numerous wildfires has also been causing reduced visibility and air quality issues in several prairie cities
globalnews.ca
Are there any proof that all these forest fires were "deliberately started"?
But maybe you right wingers are in hook, line and sink with these sort of guys:
A climate conspiracy theorist said the government deliberately lit wildfires. He just pleaded guilty to starting 14 himself
A Canadian man who posted conspiracy theories on social media claiming the government was deliberately starting wildfires has pleaded guilty to starting 14 blazes that forced hundreds of people from their homes.
Brian Paré, appearing in a Quebec court Monday, admitted to 13 counts of arson, and one count of arson with a disregard for human life, relating to events between May and September last year.
Prosecutor Marie-Philippe Charron said one of the fires Paré set forced the evacuation of around 400 people in the town of Chapais, Quebec. The largest fire Paré admitted to starting destroyed more than 870 hectares.
“Mr. Pare does not remember all of the fires he could have started, so we have currently 14 fires, we have 14 counts,” Charron told CNN. “It’s possible there are more but we do not have evidence of that,” she added.
Charron said police and first responders grew suspicious when a number of fires happened over a short period of time without a discernible cause.
Police officers became interested in Paré after he was spotted in the areas of several fires. They also found multiple social media posts by Paré accusing the Canadian government of purposefully igniting fires to persuade people to believe in climate change.
“According to police evidence, the accused posted a lot of conspiracy theories about the fires and the government’s involvement in possibly setting those fires,” Charron said.
After getting permission to attach a tracking device to his vehicle, police were able to trace it to the location of other fires.
He admitted to starting some of the fires when he was arrested in September.
Canada’s 2023 wildfire season was record-shattering, scorching around 18.4 million hectares (45.5 million acres) — an area roughly the size of North Dakota and more than double the previous record.
Weather that drove eastern Canada’s devastating wildfires made twice as likely by climate change
Smoke from the fires poured southward, choking cities in the United States and even making it as far east as Europe.
Wildfires have long been a focus for conspiracy theorists, with claims that they are started by governments, climate activists or even by laser beams from space.
Canada’s unprecedented fires triggered a wave of disinformation, according to a 2023 report by the global coalition Climate Action Against Disinformation. This included false claims the wildfires were set intentionally to scare people into supporting climate action.
High-profile figures helped fuel these conspiracy theories. In June, Maxime Bernier, a former Canadian foreign minister, claimed in a post on X that a “good portion” of fires were likely started by “green terrorists who want to give their climate change campaign a little boost.”
Alberta Premier Danielle Smith was also criticized for remarks on the fires. During a June conversation with talk show host Ryan Jespersen, she refused to respond directly to questions about the impact climate change had on the fires, instead focusing on the role of arsonists.
Human activity does play a role in starting wildfires, either deliberately or through accidental actions such as discarding a lit cigarette, but natural factors are also involved.
Lightning strikes played a huge role in last year’s fires, according to Quebec’s Forest Fire Protection Agency. “Nearly 53% of fires were caused by lightning causing more than 99% of the area burned this year,” a spokesperson for the fire agency told CNN.
Focusing on a single cause can also obscure the role of human-caused global warming, which is fueling the very hot and dry conditions that help fires spread faster, and burn longer and more intensely.
“Widespread drought combined with a devastating lightning line are responsible for this historic season,” Quebec’s fire agency spokesperson said.
A recent analysis by scientists from the World Weather Attribution initiative — which calculates the role of climate change in extreme weather events — found that climate change made the hot, dry and windy weather that drove last year’s fires in Quebec at least twice as likely and up to 50% more intense.
Kira Hoffman, a fire ecologist at the University of British Columbia and the Bulkley Valley Research Centre, said there are many factors that contribute to extreme wildfire seasons, including logging and abandoning Indigenous fire stewardship techniques.
But all these factors interact with the climate crisis, Hoffman told CNN last year. “A rapidly changing climate is creating longer, drier and hotter wildfire seasons across Canada.”
Paré remains in custody. A pre-sentencing report was requested by his defense lawyer, and it is expected to be released in April.
A Canadian man who posted conspiracy theories on social media claiming the government was deliberately starting wildfires has pleaded guilty to starting 14 blazes that forced hundreds of people from their homes.
Brian Paré, appearing in a Quebec court Monday, admitted to 13 counts of arson, and one count of arson with a disregard for human life, relating to events between May and September last year.
Prosecutor Marie-Philippe Charron said one of the fires Paré set forced the evacuation of around 400 people in the town of Chapais, Quebec. The largest fire Paré admitted to starting destroyed more than 870 hectares.
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Weather that drove eastern Canada’s devastating wildfires made twice as likely by climate change
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previously you argued the opposite, that forest fire fighting techniques have improved
if you are going to lecture others on the past best you understand the reality of the past
threats from forest fires have decreased, not increased
Another chart that has been confirmed to be bullshit, larue.
Are you getting so senile that you can't remember the debates here?
The projections have been quite amazing larue.
You keep posting your stupid, oranges vs apples, troposphere chart that uses satellite data that stops in 2012.
This is a proper chart of projections vs measurements.
you mean, another set of data which you do not like because they prove more and more of the climate change narrative/ propaganda is bullshit
debate? This is not a debate.
A scientific debate requires intelligence and scientific undertanding. You do not qualify
Are you getting so stupid that you can't remember the facts you ignore ?
here are just a few from your ongoing clown show:
| Facts | Frankfooter |
| Dr. Judith Curry states the uncertainties in climate change are very significant | Claims Dr. Judith Curry has been debunked, is on the payroll of big oil |
| Dr. Richard Lindzen 200+ papers on atmospheric physics (and IPCC contributor ) states there is no climate crisis | Claims Dr. Richard Lindzen is on the payroll of big oil |
| Anthony Watts points out major flaws with the surface temp data record including the urban island heat effect | Claims Anthony Watts is just a meteorologist , is on the payroll of big oil |
Michael Mann , Phil Jones are caught exchanging emails about how to diddle the Data. Jones latter admits to sending the emails to hide the dataHead of 'Climategate' research unit admits sending 'pretty awful emails' to hide dataProfessor Phil Jones said it was not 'standard practice' in climate science to release data and methodology so that other scientists could check and challenge the research.
| Claims the emails were illegally accessed, so ignore the facts of the matter |
| Michael Mann splices together different data sets to "hide the decline" in his hockey stick graph . Macintyre and McKendrick show any data set used in Mann's program produces the same hockey stick Mann sues Tim Ball for stating Mann should not be in Penn sate , rather belongs in the State Penn Mann loses the lawsuit & is ordered to pay Tim Balls legal expense. Mann does not pay and Tim Ball dies broke | Pretends the fraudster Michael Mann is a trustworthy climate scientist |
| Dr. William Happer. , one of the leading scientific experts on radiative energy transfer states , there is no climate crisis | Claims Dr. William Happer. is on the payroll of big oil |
| Dr. John Clauser , winner of 2022 Noble prize in physics states , there is no climate crisis | Claims Dr. John Clauser. is not a climate scientist |
| Gavin Schmidt refuses to engage in scientific debate with Dr. Roy Spencer (Former NASA recipient of achievement winner) | Claims Dr. Roy Spencer. is on the payroll of big oil Pretends Gavin Schmidt is a trustworthy climate scientist |
| Records of Burn acreage dating back to 1920s are found in the internet wayback program. the records clearly show burn acreage is down significantly in the past 100 year | Has a meltdown because the data was accessed without permission. "You can't use that " ??? WTF ???? |
| Dr John Christy (state certified climatologist ) shows how the climate models are a mess and fail on multiple dimensions. He also shows with verification how the models compare relative to the satellite and weather balloon data | Has a meltdown because he can not figure out what a temperature anomaly is . "You can't use that " ??? WTF ???? |
| Any cold hard fact or informed decision seeking the truth of the matter | "You can't use that ", you will expose the climate change propaganda for what it is |
| Fact and Truth | Claim any amount of character assassination and denial of the facts to preserve the propaganda |
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larue, so far you posted a chart that did an apples to oranges comparison of surface temperatures to troposphere, and it wasn't even complete, it refused to include satellite data after 2012.you mean, another set of data which you do not like because they prove more and more of the climate change narrative/ propaganda is bullshit
debate? This is not a debate.
A scientific debate requires intelligence and scientific undertanding. You do not qualify
Are you getting so stupid that you can't remember the facts you ignore ?
here are just a few from your ongoing clown show:
Facts Frankfooter Dr. Judith Curry states the uncertainties in climate change are very significant Claims Dr. Judith Curry has been debunked, is on the payroll of big oil Dr. Richard Lindzen 200+ papers on atmospheric physics (and IPCC contributor ) states there is no climate crisis Claims Dr. Richard Lindzen is on the payroll of big oil Anthony Watts points out major flaws with the surface temp data record including the urban island heat effect Claims Anthony Watts is just a meteorologist , is on the payroll of big oil Michael Mann , Phil Jones are caught exchanging emails about how to diddle the Data. Jones latter admits to sending the emails to hide the data
Head of 'Climategate' research unit admits sending 'pretty awful emails' to hide data
Professor Phil Jones said it was not 'standard practice' in climate science to release data and methodology so that other scientists could check and challenge the research.www.dailymail.co.uk
Claims the emails were illegally accessed, so ignore the facts of the matter Michael Mann splices together different data sets to "hide the decline" in his hockey stick graph . Macintyre and McKendrick show any data set used in Mann's program produces the same hockey stick
Mann sues Tim Ball for stating Mann should not be in Penn sate , rather belongs in the State Penn
Mann loses the lawsuit & is ordered to pay Tim Balls legal expense. Mann does not pay and Tim Ball dies brokePretends the fraudster Michael Mann is a trustworthy climate scientist Dr. William Happer. , one of the leading scientific experts on radiative energy transfer states , there is no climate crisis Claims Dr. William Happer. is on the payroll of big oil Dr. John Clauser , winner of 2022 Noble prize in physics states , there is no climate crisis Claims Dr. John Clauser. is not a climate scientist Gavin Schmidt refuses to engage in scientific debate with Dr. Roy Spencer (Former NASA recipient of achievement winner) Claims Dr. Roy Spencer. is on the payroll of big oil
Pretends Gavin Schmidt is a trustworthy climate scientistRecords of Burn acreage dating back to 1920s are found in the internet wayback program. the records clearly show burn acreage is down significantly in the past 100 year Has a meltdown because the data was accessed without permission. "You can use that " ??? WTF ???? Dr John Christy (state certified climatologist ) shows how the climate models are a mess and fail on multiple dimensions. He also shows with verification how the models compare relative to the satellite and weather balloon data Has a meltdown because he can not figure out what a temperature anomaly is . "You can use that " ??? WTF ???? Any cold hard fact or informed decision seeking the truth of the matter "You can use that ", you will expose the climate change propaganda for what it is Fact and Truth Claim any amount of character assassination and denial of the facts to preserve the propaganda
Total failure.
Then you went back and reposted a chart using data that is not sanctioned by the US forestry service, a chart we've gone over endlessly before.
Another failure.
Then you claimed the projections don't match reality, I posted a chart that proves you are wrong there.
Third failure.
You've lost every point here.
The projections have been quite amazing larue.
You keep posting your stupid, oranges vs apples, troposphere chart that uses satellite data that stops in 2012.
This is a proper chart of projections vs measurements.
too funny, projecting for 2050 >>>> 1.4 degrees +/- , off the chart scale to 0.6
if the uncertainty in a projection is larger than the projected value , then the projected value is nothing more than a wild ass guess
too funny
How many nails will be required to frame this basement?
200 plus 300 or less 70 ??? WTF
or have they just hidden the spaghetti uncertainty with continuous colors
this chart also shows how the uncertainty in the hindcast projections were double the observed
again replicating the past is a bare minimum for any predictive model->>>>>>> Fail
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oranges vs apples
if an orange is warmed up by 1 degree c and the apple is warmed up by 1 degree c , they have the same temperature anomaly namely 1 degree c
Questions for you
how do your fraudsters add in sea surface temperature anomalies to come up with a global average?
or do they just ignore 70% of the planet, when discussing a global average?
if you wont allow (like a whinny little girl) atmospheric temp anomalies to be used to study the GHG theory in the atmosphere, how can you allow sea surface temperature anomaly to be used?
2012
the climate models had already been used to generate very scarry & very false propaganda
if you want Dr. John Christy to spend another two years expanding the study, call him up and arrange for the Funding
Those projections have been great.
You can't provide any projections that are better, theories that explain what is happening or anything that's not total bullshit.
If you turn your furnace up 1ºC in the winter, how much does it warm 2m above your roof?
If the surface is 25ºC and the temp at 5km in the troposphere is 16ºC, how much will the troposphere warm when the surface temperature goes up 2ºC?
You mean " Those projections have been great propaganda"
our planets climate is far too complex to predict
it is impossible to model turbulence and cloud formation
real scientist know this
why would I try predicting a dynamic, coupled , non linear chaotic system ?
same answer for why i do not try predicting lotto numbers
now you answer a question
explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy
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