Climate Change

[Frankfooter]

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

Again, larue, this is about you repeatedly comparing apples to oranges.
This is from the IPCC projections, note that they talk about surface temperatures, even noting its surface air temperatures.
Not the temperature in the troposphere.

Will you ever admit you are wrong, or will you keep denying this forever?

 

[JohnLarue]

]Again, larue, this is about you repeatedly comparing apples to oranges.

no it is about comparing anomalies
predicted changes in temperature vs observed changes in temperature

since you continue to dodge the question, your view is worthless
(actually your view has negative value..... you know... due to your long comical history of continuous deceit)

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

This is from the IPCC projections, note that they talk about surface temperatures, even noting its surface air temperatures.
Not the temperature in the troposphere.

no it is about comparing anomalies
predicted changes in temperature vs observed changes in temperature

if you had any scientific training you might have understood this.
its not my fault you dropped out of high school

 

[bver_hunter]

Remember how people would say that people were dying after getting their covid vax's? It was like anyone who died afterwards for any reason, they believed it was attributed to the vaccine?
Remember that...still goes on to this day.

That's how you guys sound about climate change whenever there's a flood or forest fire.

The righties were making that propaganda about more people dying from the vaccines etc. The vaccines have those microchips that are going to track your every movement by the Deep State. So what is your point?

When we are seeing the scale of the unprecedented fires, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes etc., you guys come up with statements like it is just a cycle and not a big deal. The forest fires were deliberately started etc. etc........ Enough said!!

 

[Frankfooter]

no it is about comparing anomalies
predicted changes in temperature vs observed changes in temperature

Its about comparing the changes in temperature on the surface of the planet where humans live instead of in the clouds, where your satellite reads temps.
I'm sure as your HVAC job you had before you retired 30 years ago, you'd be telling customers, that its really warm in their house and they really should take the temperature inside the stove for reference, its way better than using the thermostat.

You're comparing apples to oranges.
Surface temperatures to the temperature in the clouds.

Are you too stupid to understand this or just too dishonest to care?

 

[wigglee]

Good to see the instant karma of wildfires currently threatening Alberta right after Ontario had the warmest winter ever...LOL Yea... big hoax..

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Ontario had the warmest winter ever...LOL Yea... big hoax..

El Nino year, bro

 

[oil&gas]

Good to see the instant karma of wildfires currently threatening Alberta right after Ontario had the warmest winter ever...LOL Yea... big hoax..

Sooner or later Newfoundland will be hit as well by Karma in the
form of massive snow storm or tsunami. Drilling in deep water for
polluting oil and gas couldn't be less damaging to Earth's climate
than oil sands extraction.

 

[canada-man]

Good to see the instant karma of wildfires currently threatening Alberta right after Ontario had the warmest winter ever...LOL Yea... big hoax..

most wild fires are set by people

 

[JohnLarue]

Good to see the instant karma of wildfires currently threatening Alberta right after Ontario had the warmest winter ever...LOL Yea... big hoax..

the warmest winter ever ?
wrong, ask a geologist

best be sure of what is included or not included in your definition of "ever."
best be sure of what data source is the basis for a claimed new record

GOLDSTEIN: Feds scrapped 100 years of data on climate change

Canadians already suspicious of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax are likely be even more suspicious given a report by Ottawa-based Blacklock’s…

torontosun.com

GOLDSTEIN: Feds scrapped 100 years of data on climate change

Environment Canada omitted a century’s worth of observed weather data in developing its computer models on the impacts of climate change.

The scrapping of all observed weather data from 1850 to 1949 was necessary, a spokesman for Environment Canada told Blacklock’s Reporter, after researchers concluded that historically, there weren’t enough weather stations to create a reliable data set for that 100-year period.

“The historical data is not observed historical data,” the spokesman said. “It is modelled historical data … 24 models from historical simulations spanning 1950 to 2005 were used.”

since all observed weather data from 1850 to 1949 were deemed unreliable due to limited number of weather stations , all you can claim is that

Ontario had the warmest winter ever. recorded .LOL Yea... big hoax.. since 1950 – Korean War begins.

that is a damn sight short of 'ever'

BTW like so many states/ provinces the record hottest temperature observation for Ontario occurred in the 1930s

42.2 °C (108 °F) Iroquois Falls , 1935

 

[JohnLarue]

Again, larue, this is about you repeatedly comparing apples to oranges.
This is from the IPCC projections, note that they talk about surface temperatures, even noting its surface air temperatures.
Not the temperature in the troposphere.

continuously displaying your scientific ignorance is a strange strategy
you might want to re-evaluate

Global Surface Temperature Anomalies | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The Merged Land and Ocean Surface Temperature data are presented as anomalies (departures from a long-term average) on a five-degree by five-degree global grid. The period of record is January 1880 through the most recent month.

www.ncei.noaa.gov

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For these reasons, large-area summaries incorporate anomalies, not the temperature itself. Anomalies more accurately describe climate variability over larger areas than absolute temperatures do, and they give a frame of reference that allows more meaningful comparisons between locations and more accurate calculations of temperature trends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_anomaly

Temperatures are obtained from surface and offshore weather stations or inferred from meteorological satellite data. Temperature anomalies can be calculated based on datasets of near-surface and upper-air atmospheric temperatures or sea surface temperatures.

there is a lot of comparisons done in science
ever heard of normalization ?
just look for a chart that has more than one line in it, all starting o the same point of the x-axis
you do know what an x-axis is ? , correct ?????

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[Frankfooter]

the warmest winter ever ?
wrong, ask a geologist

Why not just as your mechanic?

At least you gave up on your troposphere chart.
But would you be man enough to admit you are wrong?

 

[Frankfooter]

continuously displaying your scientific ignorance is a strange strategy
you might want to re-evaluate

Global Surface Temperature Anomalies | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The Merged Land and Ocean Surface Temperature data are presented as anomalies (departures from a long-term average) on a five-degree by five-degree global grid. The period of record is January 1880 through the most recent month.

www.ncei.noaa.gov

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_anomaly






explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

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Spoke too soon.

Your link says there are different reports for global temp, from surface to troposphere.
What you link doesn't say is that they are the same and you can compare them as if they were the same.

One other question, larue.
Why does the satellite temperature in your chart stop in 2012 or so?
Why doesn't your chart use the last 10 years of satellite data?

 

[JohnLarue]

Spoke too soon.

Your link says there are different reports for global temp, from surface to troposphere.
What you link doesn't say is that they are the same and you can compare them as if they were the same.

Gee
how much is a change of 1 degree C at the surface ? 1 degree C
how much is a change of 1 degree C in the troposphere ? 1 degree C
how much is a change of 1 degree C in the sea surface ? 1 degree C

can we compare these three equal observations of temperature change?
hmmm..... better ask Frankfooter first
grow up

Temperatures are obtained from surface and offshore weather stations or inferred from meteorological satellite data. Temperature anomalies can be calculated based on datasets of near-surface and upper-air atmospheric temperatures or sea surface temperatures.

One other question, larue.
Why does the satellite temperature in your chart stop in 2012 or so?
Why doesn't your chart use the last 10 years of satellite data?

that's is when this version was created by Dr Christy
the model predictions had already been used to create the scary climate propaganda

are you claiming the glaring fundamental flaws in 79 models have since been fixed and somehow still produce the same results, the same scary climate propaganda?

All this has now been addressed you say ?

The failed climate models are an attempt to predict future data via an attempt to code physics theory into a computer program.
Predictions which cant replicate the past -- fail
Predictions which do not agree with other models -- fail. There is no way these bozos got the physics theory right when the distribution of Predictions is such a mess
Predictions which do not agree with other confirmed satellite/ weather balloon observations-- fail.

 

[Frankfooter]

Gee
how much is a change of 1 degree C at the surface ? 1 degree C
how much is a change of 1 degree C in the troposphere ? 1 degree C
how much is a change of 1 degree C in the sea surface ? 1 degree C

Is the temperature on the surface the same as it is in the clouds, larue?
Is surface temperature the same temperature as troposphere temperatures?

 

[JohnLarue]

Is the temperature on the surface the same as it is in the clouds, larue?
Is surface temperature the same temperature as troposphere temperatures?

are you really that stupid ?

of course the absolute temperatures are not the same values.
That is why scientists use temperature anomalies (temperature changes), in order to compare, study, evaluate

how much is a change of 1 degree C at the surface ? 1 degree C
how much is a change of 1 degree C in the troposphere ? 1 degree C
how much is a change of 1 degree C in the sea surface ? 1 degree C

1 degree C change is 1 degree C change at the surface or in the troposphere or at the sea surface

your dropping out of high school was a really bad decision

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[Frankfooter]

are you really that stupid ?

of course the absolute temperatures are not the same values.

Great, so we have now established that you agree that the surface temperatures are different than temperatures in the troposphere.
Now, do you think the temperatures in the clouds change as much or more than surface temperatures?
Do you think that change is exactly the same and that therefore the anomaly in the clouds will be exactly the same as the anomaly on the surface?

And why doesn't your chart include satellite data past 2012, is there something wrong with it?
Are you cherry picking or are you relying on only really old data again?

 

[JohnLarue]

Great, so we have now established that you agree that the surface temperatures are different than temperatures in the troposphere.

actually all you have established is the answer" yes' to the question:
are you really that stupid ?

1 degree C change is 1 degree C change at the surface or in the troposphere or at the sea surface


explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[Frankfooter]

actually all you have established is the answer" yes' to the question:
are you really that stupid ?

1 degree C change is 1 degree C change at the surface or in the troposphere or at the sea surface


explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

Wow, you don't give up when you are wrong.

• The surface temperature is around 15°C (59°F), while the temperature of the troposphere decreases with altitude.
• The rate of temperature decrease is around 7°C/km (3.9°F/1,000 ft) in the wet condition.
• The global average temperature at the top of the troposphere is around -63°C (-82°F).
• The difference in temperature between the surface and the troposphere is due to the way heat is transferred from the Earth’s surface to the atmosphere.
• The surface temperature can vary greatly depending on the location, while the temperature in the troposphere is more uniform.

Using a chart that plots apples vs oranges in surface vs troposphere temperatures when the anomaly is expected to be different is stupid.
Using a chart that intentionally stops at 2012 is intentionally dishonest.

Your argument is managing to be both stupid and dishonest at the same time.

 

[JohnLarue]

Wow, you don't give up when you are wrong.

• The surface temperature is around 15°C (59°F), while the temperature of the troposphere decreases with altitude.
• The rate of temperature decrease is around 7°C/km (3.9°F/1,000 ft) in the wet condition.
• The global average temperature at the top of the troposphere is around -63°C (-82°F).
• The difference in temperature between the surface and the troposphere is due to the way heat is transferred from the Earth’s surface to the atmosphere.
• The surface temperature can vary greatly depending on the location, while the temperature in the troposphere is more uniform.

Using a chart that plots apples vs oranges in surface vs troposphere temperatures when the anomaly is expected to be different is stupid.
Using a chart that intentionally stops at 2012 is intentionally dishonest.

Your argument is managing to be both stupid and dishonest at the same time.

1 degree C change is 1 degree C change at the surface or in the troposphere or at the sea surface


explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[JohnLarue]

• The surface temperature can vary greatly depending on the location, while the temperature in the troposphere is more uniform.

another reason not to rely on the surface temperature data set.
As you say "the surface temperature (data set) can vary greatly depending on the location" and the planetary coverage is grossly inadequate , while "the temperature in the data set for the troposphere is more uniform" and provides complete coverage

-why can you not understand what grade 10 students can ?
1 degree C change is 1 degree C change at the surface or in the troposphere or at the sea surface
oh yeah, you dropped out of school before grade 10 science class, that's why


explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy