Climate Change

[JohnLarue]

you mean, another set of data which you do not like because they prove more and more of the climate change narrative/ propaganda is bullshit

debate? This is not a debate.
A scientific debate requires intelligence and scientific undertanding. You do not qualify


Are you getting so stupid that you can't remember the facts you ignore ?
here are just a few from your ongoing clown show:

Facts	Frankfooter
Dr. Judith Curry states the uncertainties in climate change are very significant	Claims Dr. Judith Curry has been debunked, is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. Richard Lindzen 200+ papers on atmospheric physics (and IPCC contributor ) states there is no climate crisis	Claims Dr. Richard Lindzen is on the payroll of big oil
Anthony Watts points out major flaws with the surface temp data record including the urban island heat effect	Claims Anthony Watts is just a meteorologist , is on the payroll of big oil
Michael Mann , Phil Jones are caught exchanging emails about how to diddle the Data. Jones latter admits to sending the emails to hide the data Head of 'Climategate' research unit admits sending 'pretty awful emails' to hide data Professor Phil Jones said it was not 'standard practice' in climate science to release data and methodology so that other scientists could check and challenge the research. www.dailymail.co.uk	Claims the emails were illegally accessed, so ignore the facts of the matter
Michael Mann splices together different data sets to "hide the decline" in his hockey stick graph . Macintyre and McKendrick show any data set used in Mann's program produces the same hockey stick Mann sues Tim Ball for stating Mann should not be in Penn sate , rather belongs in the State Penn Mann loses the lawsuit & is ordered to pay Tim Balls legal expense. Mann does not pay and Tim Ball dies broke	Pretends the fraudster Michael Mann is a trustworthy climate scientist
Dr. William Happer. , one of the leading scientific experts on radiative energy transfer states , there is no climate crisis	Claims Dr. William Happer. is on the payroll of big oil
Dr. John Clauser , winner of 2022 Noble prize in physics states , there is no climate crisis	Claims Dr. John Clauser. is not a climate scientist
Gavin Schmidt refuses to engage in scientific debate with Dr. Roy Spencer (Former NASA recipient of achievement winner)	Claims Dr. Roy Spencer. is on the payroll of big oil Pretends Gavin Schmidt is a trustworthy climate scientist
Records of Burn acreage dating back to 1920s are found in the internet wayback program. the records clearly show burn acreage is down significantly in the past 100 year	Has a meltdown because the data was accessed without permission. "You can't use that " ??? WTF ????
Dr John Christy (state certified climatologist ) shows how the climate models are a mess and fail on multiple dimensions. He also shows with verification how the models compare relative to the satellite and weather balloon data	Has a meltdown because he can not figure out what a temperature anomaly is . "You can't use that " ??? WTF ????
Any cold hard fact or informed decision seeking the truth of the matter	"You can't use that ", you will expose the climate change propaganda for what it is
Fact and Truth	Claim any amount of character assassination and denial of the facts to preserve the propaganda

what's the matter FRankfooter?

You are not usually lost for words

Did you not like having your bullshit liars routine laid out in tabular format for all to see?
if there is such a thing as Karma , you have a lot to answer for

 

[Frankfooter]

You mean " Those projections have been great propaganda"

our planets climate is far too complex to predict
it is impossible to model turbulence and cloud formation

We have repeatedly established that this is way too complex for you to understand.
Its at the point where you don't even think there could be people smarter than you who can figure it out.

The projections are accurate, the science is sound, its experimentally been proven and the evidence is everywhere around us.

https://www.realclimate.org/images/cmip6_plus_hansen-600x385.jpg

 

[Frankfooter]

what's the matter FRankfooter?

You are not usually lost for words

Did you not like having your bullshit liars routine laid out in tabular format for all to see?
if there is such a thing as Karma , you have a lot to answer for

Are you talking to yourself again, larue?

 

[JohnLarue]

We have repeatedly established that this is way too complex for you to understand.
Its at the point where you don't even think there could be people smarter than you who can figure it out.

says the high school drop out lair

The projections are accurate, the science is sound, its experimentally been proven and the evidence is everywhere around us.

Projections are future estimates, they can not be accurate , you blithering moron
Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value.
The true value has not occurred yet for a Projection

You really are a scientific know nothing

The models can not reproduce the past , so no not experimentally been proven
replicating the past is the bare minimum for a predictive model

the evidence is everywhere around us

Really like the fake evidence such as
Polar bears extinction
corral reefs bleaching
'Polar sea ice melting
Forest fires
Maldives Islands are sinking
a temperature reading above zero ......1000 km from the south pole
Greta says so ?

I bet its been years since you ventured north of Finch avenue
yet
" the evidence is everywhere around us"
how often do you see corral reefs bleaching near Kensington Market
notice any sinking islands as you drive to the union hall ?
no polar bears in the front row of the union hall, gee that must be evidence of catastrophic climate change

More bullshit from you

Try reading

Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom Hardcover – May 24 2021
by Patrick Moore (Author)


now you answer a question

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[JohnLarue]

Are you talking to yourself again, larue?

cant handle the truth eh Frank (bullshit artist) footer ?
we have your bullshit lairs routine pegged

 

[Frankfooter]

says the high school drop out lair

Why would you post such a stupid insult, larue?

Projections are future estimates, they can not be accurate , you blithering moron
Accuracy refers to how close a measurement is to the true or accepted value.

Another fail, there are 20 years of projections you can check against reality.

 

[Frankfooter]

cant handle the truth eh Frank (bullshit artist) footer ?
we have your bullshit lairs routine pegged

The truth is climate change is occurring as projected on every metric, larue.
You are a fringe science denier, part of that 5-6% of the population that holds wacko ideas about scientific conpsiracies.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1768854569185075650

 

[JohnLarue]

We have repeatedly established that this is way too complex for you to understand.

We ??
Who else beside you is making such a ridiculous claim ?
no one

you are a high school drop out , with no scientific understanding
fuzzy math is way too complex for you
tempter anomalies are way too complex for you
electromagnetic absorption is way too complex for you

 

[JohnLarue]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1768854569185075650

May happen?

your evidence is some twitter alarmist fear about an event he thinks may happen

If my aunt grows balls she may become my uncle

 

[JohnLarue]

If you turn your furnace up 1ºC in the winter, how much does it warm 2m above your roof?

the temperature anomaly of the furnace is 1 degree c
the temperature change (anomaly)of the roof will be what ever the change in measurement is
could be -2 degree c if is cold outside, could be +3 degree c if the sun is shinning

If the surface is 25ºC and the temp at 5km in the troposphere is 16ºC, how much will the troposphere warm when the surface temperature goes up 2ºC?

odd how the GHG theory indicates its the atmospheric Co2 in the atmosphere that is causing the atmosphere and the surface to warm up

a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas

you are just not very bright

 

[Frankfooter]

We ??
Who else beside you is making such a ridiculous claim ?
no one

you are a high school drop out , with no scientific understanding
fuzzy math is way too complex for you
tempter anomalies are way too complex for you
electromagnetic absorption is way too complex for you

You've admitted you can't read and understand IPCC reports, larue.
You should not be in this debate.
All you push is debunked bullshit, but you're not even smart enough to see why the crap you post is bullshit.

You are way behind the times.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1787915810238853456

 

[Frankfooter]

the temperature anomaly of the furnace is 1 degree c
the temperature change (anomaly)of the roof will be what ever the change in measurement is
could be -2 degree c if is cold outside, could be +3 degree c if the sun is shinning

But you think that the anomaly would be the same for the surface of the planet and 10km up in the troposphere.
Case closed.

 

[JohnLarue]

But you think that the anomaly would be the same for the surface of the planet and 10km up in the troposphere.
Case closed.

case wide open

You do not understand the difference between temperature and temperature change (temperature anomoly
Too bad you dropped out of high school

a temperature anomaly of 1 degree is the same for the surface of the planet and 10km up in the troposphere and for the sea surface.

a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas, be it measured in Toronto, Nunavik, Paris, a farmers field in Brazil, the north pole, the south pole , at the top of mount Everest, in the troposphere , in the stratosphere , in the mesosphere , on the moon or in deep space


the Satellite temperature anomalies are confirmed by the weather balloon temperature anomalies observations
Are you going to argue the scientist have been sending millions of weather balloons aloft for 100+ years have been wasting their time.... because "Frank footer the bullshit artist says so?

the Satellite temperature anomalies are confirmed and are valid for comparison to the bloody mess that is the surface data record.
get use to it and learn something

now you answer a question

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[JohnLarue]

You've admitted you can't read and understand IPCC reports, larue.

do not misrepresent me
i admitted no such thing
stop with the pathological lying

You should not be in this debate.

its not a debate
a debate requires intelligence and scientific understanding.... you do not qualify

You are way behind the times.

your AGW climate change delusion is falling apart

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[Frankfooter]

case wide open

You do not understand the difference between temperature and temperature change (temperature anomoly
Too bad you dropped out of high school

a temperature anomaly of 1 degree is the same for the surface of the planet and 10km up in the troposphere and for the sea surface.

a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas, be it measured in Toronto, Nunavik, Paris, a farmers field in Brazil, the north pole, the south pole , at the top of mount Everest, in the troposphere , in the stratosphere , in the mesosphere , on the moon or in deep space


the Satellite temperature anomalies are confirmed by the weather balloon temperature anomalies observations
Are you going to argue the scientist have been sending millions of weather balloons aloft for 100+ years have been wasting their time.... because "Frank footer the bullshit artist says so?

the Satellite temperature anomalies are confirmed and are valid for comparison to the bloody mess that is the surface data record.
get use to it and learn something

now you answer a question

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

The idiotic part is your insistence that the anomaly will be the same on the surface as it will be 10km in the atmosphere, larue, combined with your chart with the troposphere satellite numbers you think are better but are for some reason just stopped in 2012. Why? Because they adjusted the satellites to correct for orbital drift and the anomaly aligns much better with surface temps, though of course its different since its the troposphere.

Clearly you can't even read your chart or you would be asking yourself why those satellite numbers were stopped in 2012.
But you can't understand what you post.

 

[JohnLarue]

The idiotic part is your insistence that the anomaly will be the same on the surface as it will be 10km in the atmosphere,

look dropout ,
a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas, be it measured in Toronto, Nunavik, Paris, a farmers field in Brazil, the north pole, the south pole , at the top of mount Everest, in the troposphere , in the stratosphere , in the mesosphere , on the moon or in deep space

FYI this is taught in grade 10, so you can blame your scientific ignorance on your decision to drop out of high school

the Satellite temperature anomalies are confirmed and are valid for comparison to the bloody mess that is the surface data record.
get use to it and learn something

now you answer a question

explain how an Atmospheric Gas CO2 manages to heat up the surface faster than the Atmosphere ?
be sure to explain how your morons theory obeys the laws of Thermodynamics , the Stephan Law and conservation of energy

 

[JohnLarue]

The insanity of climate alarmism is put on full display
A professor no less

Since withdrawn "not because I regret it" but because "people took it the wrong way."


How did he expect people to take "the culling of the human population" ?

 

[Frankfooter]

look dropout ,
a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas, be it measured in Toronto, Nunavik, Paris, a farmers field in Brazil, the north pole, the south pole , at the top of mount Everest, in the troposphere , in the stratosphere , in the mesosphere , on the moon or in deep space

You're still missing the point.
Yes, you can measure change in different places but no, that change will not be the same on the surface as it will be at 10km up in the air.

Like you think if you put your hand over a candle and reported the anomaly after blowing the candle out. With your hand right over the candle you'd notice a massive shift in temperature but if you were 10m away and blew that candle out you'd notice almost no difference.

Surface vs troposphere

But even more importantly, lets look at your chart and why it stops at 2012.

Note that, as usual, you are rehashing debunked, 6 year old claims.
You picked a chart that is beyond your ability to follow, you didn't notice it was troposphere, are still unable to understand why its important unable to understand why the data is stopped at 2012.

You have no clue what you are talking about, larue.

Charts that plot recent satellite data show as much warming as you'd expect in the troposphere, which is some, but not nearly as much as on the surface where its 5-10ºC warmer.

 

[Frankfooter]

The insanity of climate alarmism is put on full display
A professor no less

Since withdrawn "not because I regret it" but because "people took it the wrong way."


How did he expect people to take "the culling of the human population" ?

That's because the people who study the climate and know what is coming think humanity has severely messed up the planet.

‘Hopeless and broken’: why the world’s top climate scientists are in despair

Exclusive: Survey of hundreds of experts reveals harrowing picture of future, but they warn climate fight must not be abandoned

www.theguardian.com

 

[Frankfooter]

look dropout ,
a 1 degree c change = a 1 degree C change be it measured in a solid, liquid or gas, be it measured in Toronto, Nunavik, Paris, a farmers field in Brazil, the north pole, the south pole , at the top of mount Everest, in the troposphere , in the stratosphere , in the mesosphere , on the moon or in deep space

You're still missing the point.
Yes, you can measure change in different places but no, that change will not be the same on the surface as it will be at 10km up in the air.

Like you think if you put your hand over a candle and reported the anomaly after blowing the candle out. With your hand right over the candle you'd notice a massive shift in temperature but if you were 10m away and blew that candle out you'd notice almost no difference.

Surface vs troposphere

But even more importantly, lets look at your chart and why it stops at 2012.

Note that, as usual, you are rehashing debunked, 6 year old claims.