Asshole of a cop on power trip detains NFL player rushing dying mom to hospital

[alexmst]

The vehicle was heading to a hospital. When it arrived the officer, if he was a caring individual, would have, once the driver said his mother-in-law was dying inside, gone into the hospital with the driver to check this out. If it was lie, arrest him, but if it was true:

Either let the driver off and leave

OR

Go with the driver and ticket him for running a red while he is at the dying person's bedside.

OR

Wait by the SUV and ticket him when he is leaving.

Holding him outside and not letting him see his relative before she died was mean. Yes, the cop had the right to hold him there, but he was not showing much human compassion. The cop said if he had pulled over before getting to the hospital and explained the issue, the cop would have let him go. Maybe. Looking at the attitude of the officer in the tape, I'm not sure I believe he would have, in which case none of the family would have been there to see her die.

My grandfather drove through stopsigns to get to the hospital once and a Toronto cop pulled him over. He shouted "I have to get to the hospital!" and the cop said "I'll give you an escort" and drove ahead of him with his lights on going through reds, etc. When at the hospital the cop came in to check the story was legit, and then left.

Some police are nice to deal with, some aren't. I've met nice ones and real bastards - it is luck of the draw. One threatened to ticket me when I was 13 for feeding my leftover sandwich crusts to the birds as a form of littering lol What an asshat he was. Other cops I've met were friendly and out to help the public, not intimidate them.

 

[Malibook]

IT WAS MOATES WHO CREATED THIS PROBLEM, NOT THE COP!!!!

Moates created a situation but it was the cop who turned it into a problem.
The 2 women ignored the self-admitted fucked up cop and walked away from him.
If he had shot them in the back and killed them I suppose this would be Moates' fault too.

 

[tboy]

By now, if nothing else, you should realize that tboy tommy is one of those guys who would sooner die than EVER admit that he is wrong.

He'll go down with the sinking ship every time.

In regards to the quote Kirk included in his post: You know as well as I do that the various commissioners will apologize even if the cop wasn't wrong because it is POLITICAL.

As for me admitting I am right or wrong, looked in the mirror lately? I could say the same thing about you......

 

[tboy]

Read it again. I didn't say he was an a$$hole. I said



There is a difference.

and I didn't say you did.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Unfortunately, it was the last one I did

But seriously though, Moats did not endanger anyone even though he broke the law (not even the cop said that he almost caused an accident). His family shouted to the cop that a mother was dying yet he persisted in asking for those papers.

It didn't help that the Moats family were raising their voices but the cop should be a professional and realize that if in fact, the situation were true as they said, that these people were emotionally charged. He should have given them some leeway after verifying the story inside the hospital and then let them go.

No, no. He should have taken out his Taser and shocked their asses! He would have been within his rights - THEY BROKE THE LAW and started mouthing off to him! The nerve, trying to explain that their mother (or was it "mother-in-law"? hmm, suspicious, that) was dying inside. If that cop had a dollar for every time he heard that one, he'd be richer than Bill Gates, I tell ya! Better nip that shit in the bud before everyone starts using the "I'm speeding and running reds to get to the hospital to see my dying relative" excuse!

(ok, tboy moment over)

 

[hunter001]

and I didn't say you did.

Well you quoted me and bolded a comment... whatever dude.

 

[tboy]

Moates created a situation but it was the cop who turned it into a problem.
The 2 women ignored the self-admitted fucked up cop and walked away from him.
If he had shot them in the back and killed them I suppose this would be Moates' fault too.

How did the cop create the problem? By detaining a driver that didn't stop when he put the lights on him? By doing his job?

Now I guess you know what story to tell the cops when you get stopped for running a red: someone somewhere is dying and you have to get there, or if you get caught with drugs: oh they aren't mine officer, yeah, cops are supposed to believe everyone when they lie through their teeth to them lol...

 

[Captain Fantastic]

How did the cop create the problem? By detaining a driver that didn't stop when he put the lights on him? By doing his job?

Now I guess you know what story to tell the cops when you get stopped for running a red: someone somewhere is dying and you have to get there, or if you get caught with drugs: oh they aren't mine officer, yeah, cops are supposed to believe everyone when they lie through their teeth to them lol...

Or he could have walked with the family a whole 20 feet inside the hospital to find out about the situation from hospital staff. But that would require a brain and a tiny bit of empathy.

Again, there is more to serving and protecting than just writing traffic tickets and arresting drunks, which makes up about 80+% of most uniformed cops' work.

Carry on arguing, you myopic cop lover. God love ya for not letting go.

 

[stinkynuts]

Just to clarify, I misunderstood the situation about the mother or mother-in-law. I was under the impression that he was driving them to the hospital, not that she was on her deathbed.

That does not change the fact that he showed no discretion or compassion. A good cop should have both of these qualities. Clearly, this one did not.

 

[tboy]

Well you quoted me and bolded a comment... whatever dude.

I used your line (bolded) as an example of the general consensus here on terb. Whether you specifically called him an asshole or said he "came across as an asshole" was just the basis for me posting the general consensus.

Sorry to imply that you actually called him an asshole.....

 

[Malibook]

In regards to the quote Kirk included in his post: You know as well as I do that the various commissioners will apologize even if the cop wasn't wrong because it is POLITICAL.

I can believe that the cop's apology is not sincere but the Chief and Asst. Chief seemed very sincere to me.
They did a lot more than simply say that they are sorry this happened.
Their emotions showed and they were quite explicit in their criticisms and their opinions on what should have been done.

 

[Angela@Mirage]

Surprise, surprise, the usual suspects come out to defend the cops. And in some cases, show off their ignorance and complete lack of empathy.


1. "Running red lights."

Yes, he did. Slowly, and with no traffic around. Hardly the type of thing that destroys the fabric of society, especially given the circumstances.

If any of you who are married were told that your mother-in-law took a turn for the worse and had minutes to live and your wife wanted to see her, you would all turn into Jacques Villeneuve to get to the hospital.

I won't even begin to get into the argument that everyone will start doing this now as a way to get out of tickets - that's just retarded non-logic.


2. "Mother-in-law and the death bed."

No one knows his relationship that this man has with his mother-in-law. A good friend of mine loves his wife's family more than his own, because of the circumstances of his life. They are his parents for all intents and purposes. This could be the case here. We don't know - he calls her both his mother and mother-in-law. Don't diminish the family values of someone just because you don't understand.

As for not leaving her side, that's just ridiculous. Again, we don't know the circumstances. She may have been fine when they left and then got the call from ICU that she had taken a turn for the worse. Again, try not to judge unless you truly know.


3. "Cop suspended."

I agree that he doesn't deserve to be suspended. And he wasn't. Read the story - he was reassigned to dispatch for the time being.

But the cop should offer an apology / explanation and Moats should offer an explanation / apology.

As stated earlier - the job of a cop is to serve and protect. Service to the community goes beyond arresting bad guys. And there is a tenuous public trust with the police, particularly with the black community in the U.S. A little compassion can go a long way. Assistant Police Chief Floyd Simpson seemed to agree, stating: "When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue," said Simpson. "We shouldn't further their distress."

This pig showed that he's a knuckle-dragging bully who is more worried about the letter of the law than the spirit of the law. Read the news article: even after he was told by hospital staff that the story was true and the mother-in-law was dying, he made the player stay out there. THAT's why he's a pig.


I'll never understand the slavish devotion some people have to ALL cops. There are good cops, average cops and bad cops. Not all are equal and not all deserve the same respect, even after they've proven that they don't deserve it.

Amen.

 

[Malibook]

How did the cop create the problem?

I would hope that the vast majority of police officers are just as appalled by this power tripping insensitive prick as I am.

The situation in the parking lot did not have to deteriorate into such a problem.

Did you not notice that several people here have already stated how this situation could have been better handled and that the Chief and Asst. Chief both clearly stated how the situation should have been handled?

 

[Angela@Mirage]

Well, think about it from Moats' perspective - this pig kept him in the parking lot while his mother-in-law died. Even after the pig was told the story was true, he still made him stay out there. He wasn't there for his wife or his "mother". That has to hurt him a lot right now - in his mind, he wasn't able to be there for them all because of this fuckwit pig.

As for the race issue, quite honestly, unless you are African-American, you really won't get it. Blacks are treated differently than whites in the U.S. They are stopped by (mostly white) cops for no reason other than DWB/WWB (driving/walking while black - in the wrong neighbourhood, etc.), ignored by cabs and service industry folks and treated with fear and mistrust by many. That breeds feelings of mistrust and hatred for police and other institutions that perpetrate this behaviour - or turn a blind eye in the name of the thin blue line. Just because Barack Obama is now POTUS doesn't mean that will change any time soon, you know?

We see movies and television shows where police give white people escorts to the hospital so they can make it there faster, and this guy felt he was held up by a cop in his hour of need. They are still hurting over the loss of their mother and pissed off that the cop caused them added insult to their personal injury. I can understand where the Moatses are coming from, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

Like I said, empathy.

Let's not forget Hurricane Katrina. That is a whole other argument.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Anyone else think tboy's life is like the movie "Groundhog Day", except that tboy keeps pigheadedly making the same mistakes over and over again just to prove that he's not the one in the wrong, even as the evidence mounts to the contrary?

 

[Angela@Mirage]

Actually the link to the video states at the top that he was put on leave. Thank god cooler heads prevailed and he was simply reassigned.

I notice that in the written account of the situation what was said and how it was said differs from the video. Interesting.

Yes, I am all for law and order and we send the cops out to do our dirty work for us and this is a perfect example of how a cop was doing his job, and get's creamed by many for it. Sorry, your excuse may be that someone is dying but not someone IN THE VEHICLE. That doesn't excuse your actions one bit, you have to accept responsibilities for your actions EOS.

As Rylan said about his situation: He accepted total responsibilities for what he did. (gained a lot of my respect for that !!!).

What's next? You rob a bank because your kid needs an operation? You rob a pharmacy because you don't have the money to pay for your 'script?

As for leaving her side. I agree 100%. No you do NOT leave their side. I don't know about the Plano hospital but most will allow you to take a shower or cleanup. Many also provide beds for loved ones in the room of a dying patient. One of my ex-gf's father had a heart attack and her mom didn't leave his side for a week. The family brought her changes of clothes and she showered at the hospital (and this was scarborough general, not the nicest hospital around).

As for running the red light safely because another driver waved him through. Ok, great. Next time I'm at a light I'll wave all the other drivers through......

I also agree that racism is much harsher in the US than here in Canada but I too am getting tired of everytime a white person does something to a black person it is because they're black. Sorry, maybe it's because THEY BROKE THE FUCKING LAW!!!

I also think if the driver and passengers of the vehicle had CALMY waited until the officer approached them and CALMLY stated: Sorry officer, we just got a call that our mother in law only has minutes to live and we want to be by her side when she passes. Could you please let my wife and her grandfather go? Instead of jumping out of the vehicle like a chinese fire drill.

You also have to admit that in the US when a cop stops a vehicle full of people he doesn't know wtf is going on and takes control until he does. If there is a mad dash of people jumping out and running and screaming then he'll exert his authority.

There is one thing to exert authority and it is another to asses. It was his way or the highway. He was wrong.

 

[tboy]

I would hope that the vast majority of police officers are just as appalled by this power tripping insensitive prick as I am.

The situation in the parking lot did not have to deteriorate into such a problem.

Did you not notice that several people here have already stated how this situation could have been better handled and that the Chief and Asst. Chief both clearly stated how the situation should have been handled?

Roll your eyes all you want, it's easy sitting back and being an armchair quarterback isn't it?

 

[tboy]

Anyone else think tboy's life is like the movie "Groundhog Day", except that tboy keeps pigheadedly making the same mistakes over and over again just to prove that he's not the one in the wrong, even as the evidence mounts to the contrary?

Ever notice that Captain F continues to ignore the others that agree with me and focus' on me alone? I do think he's got a "thing" for me.....

BTW: I knew you would stoop to the playground level eventually, you couldn't just keep this civil could you?

 

[Malibook]

Roll your eyes all you want, it's easy sitting back and being an armchair quarterback isn't it?

I'll take that as a no.

Actually I suppose it is a yes but you just don't get it.

 

[333conan]

The officer should have shown more compassion for the situation. How many times have we all seen a police car throw on the lights just so he can drive though a red light? We have all seen it. And they do it for no reason. Yes the guy went through a red light, but he made sure he didn't hit anybody. And it's not like he stopped at 7-11 to buy beer, he stopped at a hospital.