Asshole of a cop on power trip detains NFL player rushing dying mom to hospital

[KBear]

Would expect it is legal to drive carefully fast running red lights and stop signs if it was a life and death situation, and the driver was rushing someone to the hospital. However, in this case it was not a life and death situation as the person driving had no influence on the outcome. That the driver was a celebrity is likely the reason he got off on the charge.

If the passenger was suffering from a heart attack, or bleeding all over the place and the cop held them there, then I would say the cop screwed up bad. Otherwise he did his job.

 

[Rylan]

Would expect it is legal to drive carefully fast running red lights and stop signs if it was a life and death situation, and the driver was rushing someone to the hospital. However, in this case it was not a life and death situation as the person driving had no influence on the outcome. That the driver was a celebrity is likely the reason he got off on the charge.

Clearly that is why there is outrage. This is about Celebs getting special treatment, not about the cop.

That is why in my situation, I told the cop to follow to me. I held the elevator even. I know for a cop being in an elevator with a fleeing suspect that you know nothing about can be very dangerous, which is why he paused for a second, but as soon as I told him what was up, he saw it in my eyes and knew I was telling the truth and he knew I would fight to the death to get upstairs.

Moates stopped, the women didn't. He should have asked the cop to follow him. Begged him even. If that didn't work, then shut your mouth, answer the questions, give the info and get it done as fast possible. Not keep going on about the dying Mother In Law because you are then just wasting more time.

I don't think the cop should have been suspended. I think a public statement of apology on both sides would have been all that was needed.

 

[KBear]

Just noticed the title of this thread is misleading. The NFL player was not, "rushing dying mom to hospital".

 

[tboy]

Holy shit, I'm going to buy a lottery ticket...Rylan actually seems to agree with me on this one....lol......

Kbear: which is what people who like to sensationalize things do. They get people riled up by printing misleading information.

BTW: the cop DID let the daughter go into the hospital to visit her dying mother and only detained the one who BROKE THE LAW. I am surprised Moates didn't get arrested for lying to a police officer. In the video he specifically stated "his mother was dying". His mother wasn't dying, his mother in law was......

 

[Rylan]

Holy shit, I'm going to buy a lottery ticket...Rylan actually seems to agree with me on this one....lol......

Kbear: which is what people who like to sensationalize things do. They get people riled up by printing misleading information.

BTW: the cop DID let the daughter go into the hospital to visit her dying mother and only detained the one who BROKE THE LAW. I am surprised Moates didn't get arrested for lying to a police officer. In the video he specifically stated "his mother was dying". His mother wasn't dying, his mother in law was......

Actually from the video it looked like the daughter was driving as to me it looked like she got out the drivers side and the other woman and Moates got out the passenger side. But I am only going based on the video.

I would also like to know how long the cop was following them because I had another situation when I had to rush my daughter to the hospital, it was life or death. I live 10-15 minutes from the hospital, and the cop was on my ass from the first main street where I was doing 120 in 60. His sirens went on and I was on the phone with 911 already giving them updates as I drove. They were also giving the updates to the Emerg. I would have called 911 once the cop was one, but it was not needed. I told the 911 operator that the cop was on me and I was not stopping, they got through to the cop and by the time we hit the first light, he was now in front of me clearing the way. This was years ago, so I don't know if they would still do that, or if they would even do that in this situation as there was not someone in the car needing hospital service, but if they had to time to make the call to 911, that would have been another option.

Most people don't think like that in emergencies though.

Those are my good LE stories. I do have a few very bad LE stories too. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Surprise, surprise, the usual suspects come out to defend the cops. And in some cases, show off their ignorance and complete lack of empathy.


1. "Running red lights."

Yes, he did. Slowly, and with no traffic around. Hardly the type of thing that destroys the fabric of society, especially given the circumstances.

If any of you who are married were told that your mother-in-law took a turn for the worse and had minutes to live and your wife wanted to see her, you would all turn into Jacques Villeneuve to get to the hospital.

I won't even begin to get into the argument that everyone will start doing this now as a way to get out of tickets - that's just retarded non-logic.


2. "Mother-in-law and the death bed."

No one knows his relationship that this man has with his mother-in-law. A good friend of mine loves his wife's family more than his own, because of the circumstances of his life. They are his parents for all intents and purposes. This could be the case here. We don't know - he calls her both his mother and mother-in-law. Don't diminish the family values of someone just because you don't understand.

As for not leaving her side, that's just ridiculous. Again, we don't know the circumstances. She may have been fine when they left and then got the call from ICU that she had taken a turn for the worse. Again, try not to judge unless you truly know.


3. "Cop suspended."

I agree that he doesn't deserve to be suspended. And he wasn't. Read the story - he was reassigned to dispatch for the time being.

But the cop should offer an apology / explanation and Moats should offer an explanation / apology.

As stated earlier - the job of a cop is to serve and protect. Service to the community goes beyond arresting bad guys. And there is a tenuous public trust with the police, particularly with the black community in the U.S. A little compassion can go a long way. Assistant Police Chief Floyd Simpson seemed to agree, stating: "When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue," said Simpson. "We shouldn't further their distress."

This pig showed that he's a knuckle-dragging bully who is more worried about the letter of the law than the spirit of the law. Read the news article: even after he was told by hospital staff that the story was true and the mother-in-law was dying, he made the player stay out there. THAT's why he's a pig.


I'll never understand the slavish devotion some people have to ALL cops. There are good cops, average cops and bad cops. Not all are equal and not all deserve the same respect, even after they've proven that they don't deserve it.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Just noticed the title of this thread is misleading. The NFL player was not, "rushing dying mom to hospital".

Remember, stinkynuts (the OP) is one or TERB's resident drama queens.

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

Exactly. So...the cop should be suspended for doing his job? He's an asshole for doing his job? He's a PIG for doing his job?

The key line in that video is: This is not an emergency vehicle, you do not have the right to ignore traffic signals......

So, since the cop is now suspended FOR DOING HIS JOB now anytime anyone runs a red light, stop sign, speeds, just has to say: MY MOTHER IN LAW IS DYING AND IF YOU DON'T LET ME GO YOU'LL BE SUSPENDED.

So, it is the cop's fault for the arguing? If the driver had just given him the information he needed (licence insurance etc) there would have been no argument and he would have been on his way in a matter of minutes.

So, folks, if you want to speed, run red lights, run stop signs, and a cop starts chasing you, just drive to the nearest hospital. Tell him that someone is dying and you're good to go! (that's what you're all saying).

Man, you are just unbelievable. Only you would make such a stupid comment--over and over again. Your law and order shtick simply has no bottom, does it?

 

[Rylan]

I only watched the video, now I have read the story. Glad the cop didn't get suspended, and I don't believe he should lose his job like suggested by Moats in the article.

I agree with this statement by Assistant Chief Floyd Simpson "When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue," said Simpson. "We shouldn't further their distress."

But Powell is also right when told police officials that he believed that he was doing his job. I think he really believed he was doing his job.

What pissed me off the most about this article. The Moatses, who are black, said Wednesday that they can't help but think that race might have played a part in how Powell, who is white, treated them.

Why??? Because I am fucking sick and tired of the race card being used every time a black person doesn't get their way. I know there is racial profiling etc. I get it, but this card is completely over-used now in my opinion.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

It's called empathy.

I only watched the video, now I have read the story. Glad the cop didn't get suspended, and I don't believe he should lose his job like suggested by Moats in the article.

I agree with this statement by Assistant Chief Floyd Simpson "When people are in distress, we should come to the rescue," said Simpson. "We shouldn't further their distress."

But Powell is also right when told police officials that he believed that he was doing his job. I think he really believed he was doing his job.

What pissed me off the most about this article. The Moatses, who are black, said Wednesday that they can't help but think that race might have played a part in how Powell, who is white, treated them.

Why??? Because I am fucking sick and tired of the race card being used every time a black person doesn't get their way. I know there is racial profiling etc. I get it, but this card is completely over-used now in my opinion.

Well, think about it from Moats' perspective - this pig kept him in the parking lot while his mother-in-law died. Even after the pig was told the story was true, he still made him stay out there. He wasn't there for his wife or his "mother". That has to hurt him a lot right now - in his mind, he wasn't able to be there for them all because of this fuckwit pig.

As for the race issue, quite honestly, unless you are African-American, you really won't get it. Blacks are treated differently than whites in the U.S. They are stopped by (mostly white) cops for no reason other than DWB/WWB (driving/walking while black - in the wrong neighbourhood, etc.), ignored by cabs and service industry folks and treated with fear and mistrust by many. That breeds feelings of mistrust and hatred for police and other institutions that perpetrate this behaviour - or turn a blind eye in the name of the thin blue line. Just because Barack Obama is now POTUS doesn't mean that will change any time soon, you know?

We see movies and television shows where police give white people escorts to the hospital so they can make it there faster, and this guy felt he was held up by a cop in his hour of need. They are still hurting over the loss of their mother and pissed off that the cop caused them added insult to their personal injury. I can understand where the Moatses are coming from, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

Like I said, empathy.

 

[Back Burner]

Why??? Because I am fucking sick and tired of the race card being used every time a black person doesn't get their way. I know there is racial profiling etc. I get it, but this card is completely over-used now in my opinion.

Whoa....there's a generalization if I ever heard one. I got a parking ticket the other day. It was clearing racism. I'm sure the cop saw I had black tires and concluded I was black.


There are many different ways the cop could have handled this situation. He decided to be a dick plain and simple.

This will piss off some... but if she was on her death bed... why did they leave in the first place? I never left my Dad's bedside for his last week.

Come on Callo, never? You didn't go home to sleep, eat, get a change of clothes? Maybe they just got a call and things were turning for the worst.

 

[Rylan]

Well, think about it from Moats' perspective - this pig kept him in the parking lot while his mother-in-law died. Even after the pig was told the story was true. He wasn't there for his wife or his "mother". That has to hurt him a lot right now - in his mind, he wasn't able to be there for them all because of this fuckwit pig.

Oh I get that, I do. I just don't think that the cop should be suspended for it, and you don't either. The cop had no empathy for the situation at hand. That is clear as a sun shinny day, but Moats' perspective is that of emotional, which I understand and therefore I am happy that it will be 3rd party who does the investigation. Someone with no emotion invested in it.

As for the race issue, quite honestly, unless you are African-American, you really won't get it. Blacks are treated differently than whites in the U.S. They are stopped by (mostly white) cops for no reason other than DWB/WWB (driving/walking while black - in the wrong neighbourhood, etc.), ignored by cabs and service industry folks and treated with fear and mistrust by many. Just because Barack Obama is now POTUS doesn't mean that will change any time soon, you know?

We see movies and television shows where police give white people escorts to the hospital so they can make it there faster, and this guy felt he was held up by a cop in his hour of need. I can understand where the Moatses are coming from, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

I know the whole DWB profile. I know that blacks can't get cabs etc. I get that, but it is not as bad anymore as it is made to be, and part of it is the fault of wannabee thugs that continue to make the situation worse for the good heart black citizens of the US. But profiling blacks is decreasing yet the amount of times the race card is played is rising. That is my point. It is not just blacks, but Spanish, Asian and especially now East Indians because they are all Muslim in people's eyes, didn't you know. And of course Muslim means terrorist. So yes it is happening but unless you have clear evidence of it, you can't just go shooting out the race card. Not in my opinion. I think this cop would have done the same thing no matter what race he was dealing with. He is a 3 year rookie officer following the letter of the law.

Also, for some FYI- being in many inter-racial relationships with a bunch of different races, { I think I have dated more outside my race then in it} I see it more then the average white person. Trust me.

 

[Rylan]

Whoa....there's a generalization if I ever heard one. I got a parking ticket the other day. It was clearing racism. I'm sure the cop saw I had black tires and concluded I was black.


There are many different ways the cop could have handled this situation. He decided to be a dick plain and simple.

He was being a dick. I don't deny that. But he could just be a dick because he is a dick, not because the family was black. Show me how the cop was being racist and would not have treated any other person the same way?

 

[KBear]

Yes, he did. Slowly, and with no traffic around. Hardly the type of thing that destroys the fabric of society, especially given the circumstances..

You feel people should be allowed to run red lights and stop signs racing to the hospital to visit someone, but where do you draw the line? Is it ok if the driver is going to visit someone who is sick, dieing, dead, does the relative have to be a direct family member, cousin, buddy? How fast over the speed limit are they allowed to go, do they have to slow down before going through red lights? Or do you leave it up to the driver to decide what is acceptable?

 

[Back Burner]

He was being a dick. I don't deny that. But he could just be a dick because he is a dick, not because the family was black. Show me how the cop was being racist and would not have treated any other person the same way?

Show you? I never said he was being racist. But the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

 

[Rylan]

Show you? I never said he was being racist. But the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

Sorry - must have mis-read you post.

They maybe not be mutually exclusive, or they can be in two completely separate universes. We can not say one way or another, so it really should not even be brought up. That is my point. The family is pulling out the race card, as I am sure they are pulling out the celeb card too. That is wrong in my opinion.

 

[Back Burner]

Sorry - must have mis-read you post.

Ha, you mad this assumption because I'm black!!! You're a racist!!!!

puts card back in pocket

 

[tboy]

Actually the link to the video states at the top that he was put on leave. Thank god cooler heads prevailed and he was simply reassigned.

I notice that in the written account of the situation what was said and how it was said differs from the video. Interesting.

Yes, I am all for law and order and we send the cops out to do our dirty work for us and this is a perfect example of how a cop was doing his job, and get's creamed by many for it. Sorry, your excuse may be that someone is dying but not someone IN THE VEHICLE. That doesn't excuse your actions one bit, you have to accept responsibilities for your actions EOS.

As Rylan said about his situation: He accepted total responsibilities for what he did. (gained a lot of my respect for that !!!).

What's next? You rob a bank because your kid needs an operation? You rob a pharmacy because you don't have the money to pay for your 'script?

As for leaving her side. I agree 100%. No you do NOT leave their side. I don't know about the Plano hospital but most will allow you to take a shower or cleanup. Many also provide beds for loved ones in the room of a dying patient. One of my ex-gf's father had a heart attack and her mom didn't leave his side for a week. The family brought her changes of clothes and she showered at the hospital (and this was scarborough general, not the nicest hospital around).

As for running the red light safely because another driver waved him through. Ok, great. Next time I'm at a light I'll wave all the other drivers through......

I also agree that racism is much harsher in the US than here in Canada but I too am getting tired of everytime a white person does something to a black person it is because they're black. Sorry, maybe it's because THEY BROKE THE FUCKING LAW!!!

I also think if the driver and passengers of the vehicle had CALMY waited until the officer approached them and CALMLY stated: Sorry officer, we just got a call that our mother in law only has minutes to live and we want to be by her side when she passes. Could you please let my wife and her grandfather go? Instead of jumping out of the vehicle like a chinese fire drill.

You also have to admit that in the US when a cop stops a vehicle full of people he doesn't know wtf is going on and takes control until he does. If there is a mad dash of people jumping out and running and screaming then he'll exert his authority.

 

[james t kirk]

What video did you watch? I didn't see a nurse or doctor come out.....

That's the point: it is up to the cop to follow the rules and do his job or not. To penalize a cop FOR DOING HIS JOB which is enforcing the law FIRST AND FOREMOST is ludicrous.

You're wrong.

This cop was DELIBERATELY trying to delay releasing the guy whose Mother in Law was dying just to show what a big man he was. There was no need to do that.

He was clearly on a power trip.

I would think that when Hospital Security Staff and Hospital staff come out of the hospital to tell the cop the deal, the cop would have realized what an ass he was being, but no, he continued with his power trip.

We don't need cops like that.

If when it became CLEAR that the guy driving was not BSing him, he should had done the right thing as a human being and said, "ok man, go" But no, he wanted to show the guy in question who's who.

Fire his ass and be better for it.

 

[Rylan]

Ha, you mad this assumption because I'm black!!! You're a racist!!!!

puts card back in pocket

What you couldn't tell when I pulled the I "have dated outside my race" card

LOL