37% of Covid Infections had 2 Doses of Vaccine

[The Oracle]

I would bet many “anti vaxxers” have already gotten or will soon get their shots, but like to roleplay in anonymous forums like this.

Would you really bet on that?...I wouldn't.

Most of the people I know that have chosen not to do it are set in their beliefs.

Now of all those people only 3 that I can think of are going to anti lockdown rallies. Blatantly showing a disregard for any restrictions.

The rest are following provincial guidelines to the hilt.

 

[basketcase]

Death wise Seychelles is way above their historical averages
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So you got stomped in the thread about Canada's deaths rate so now you want to talk about a tiny island in the Indian Ocean?

 

[sp free]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392629450622345216

 

[lenny2]

Death wise Seychelles is way above their historical averages
They have more deaths NOW after vaccination than they had before

28 total deaths
3 in past 7 days
17 of those after country was re-opened (vaccinations complete)

Their case counts and ICUs are also way above their avg for past year

COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard

The latest data for coronavirus (COVID-19) cases from the WHO COVID-19 dashboard.

covid19.who.int

No surprise there. That's what is likely or possible to happen when you (1) "re-open" a place without having reached herd immunity & (2) where a more infectious covid19 VOC has been and (3) less effective vaccines used & (4) the usual groups of covidiots acting irresponsibly.

"Just under two thirds of those are either unvaccinated or have only had one dose, and the rest have had two doses, he said."

"While data on genetic sequencing are not yet available for infections in April, the B.1.351 variant, first identified in South Africa late last year, was found in the Seychelles in February, he said. AstraZeneca’s vaccine appeared to be less effective against that variant in a study, and South Africa halted plans to use it.

"... "Other nations that have vaccinated large portions of their populations have seen Covid cases plunge. In the U.K., where 52% of people have a first dose, cases are down 96% from a recent high in January. In Israel, where 60% have had at least one dose, new cases are down 99%."

World’s Most-Vaccinated Nation Activates Curbs as Cases Rise

Seychelles, which has fully vaccinated more of its population against the coronavirus than any other country, has closed schools and canceled sporting activities for two weeks as infections surge.

www.bloomberg.com

" "The CoronaVac vaccine developed by Sinovac, a private company, was found to have an efficacy rate of just 50.4% in clinical trials in Brazil.
China recently announced that their vaccine has a very low efficacy which is strange for them to admit.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/12/china...hnk/index.html
"The protection rates of existing vaccines are not high," Gao Fu, director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, told a conference in the southwestern city of Chengdu on Saturday.
"In March, the United Arab Emirates started offering a third dose of a Sinopharm vaccine to residents who failed to generate sufficient antibodies after two shots." "

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/world%E2%80%99s-most-vaccinated-nation-activates-curbs-as-cases-rise.745804/#post-7049363

"Is San Francisco on the verge of a herd immunity breakthrough? Experts are optimistic

https://news.yahoo.com/herd-immunity...101403071.html

 

[Boss Nass]

Anti-vaxx twerps believe in magic like homeopathy and faith healing, so unless a vaccine can magically create a virus-proof shield around the human body they can't understand how it works. Science is hard after grade 1.

 

[bver_hunter]

Anti-vaxx twerps believe in magic like homeopathy and faith healing, so unless a vaccine can magically create a virus-proof shield around the human body they can't understand how it works. Science is hard after grade 1.

Well the latest is Pine Tree Tea. It is floating on the Alt right platforms as the magical cure for the Covid-19 Infection and prevention. They have one concern that pregnant women should avoid it.

 

[Valcazar]

I'll assume you want the vax. Please explain why? How does it work exactly?

You want an explanation of the concept of vaccination and the human immune system?

 

[sp free]

Vaccines work.

Covid shots are not vaccines.

 

[shack]

Covid shots are not vaccines.

So if the Moderna, Pfizer and AZ shots are not vaccines, please tell us what they are. A reference or two to back up your definition would be appreciated.

 

[sp free]

Been posted several times already.

 

[Valcazar]

So if the Moderna, Pfizer and AZ shots are not vaccines, please tell us what they are. A reference or two to back up your definition would be appreciated.

I think the argument is that they are "medical devices" for some reason.

 

[shack]

I think the argument is that they are "medical devices" for some reason.

In that case, vaccines can be considered part of a larger group, a medical device. By any definition of vaccine, these shots qualify.

It's like ants are are ants even though they are part of a larger group, insects.

 

[Valcazar]

In that case, vaccines can be considered part of a larger group, a medical device. By any definition of vaccine, these shots qualify.

It's like ants are are ants even though they are part of a larger group, insects.

You can make a very strict definition of vaccine that says it has to be a live or attenuated organism and then these wouldn't qualify.
Of course, lots of previous vaccines wouldn't qualify either.

You could be even more strict and say that vaccines come from the word "cow" and unless it is cowpox it isn't a vaccine.
Of course, that has the problem that Louis Pasteur himself is the one who recommended extending the word "vaccine" to the whole approach.

I suspect this is more likely a Sovereign Citizen type play. You know, the people who believe things like "if the flag has a fringe it is technically an admiralty court and so if you stand up and say the right magic words you don't have to pay your taxes"? There's a whole ream of life dedicated to the "one magic trick interpreting the laws" view of things.

So there is probably some law somewhere that they think controls the situation and if these aren't "vaccines" under that law they can resist or it can be banned or whatever.
It's like the people who argue about gun control by saying "It's a magazine, not a clip" or whatever.

 

[shack]

You can make a very strict definition of vaccine that says it has to be a live or attenuated organism and then these wouldn't qualify.
Of course, lots of previous vaccines wouldn't qualify either.

I don't think that the method of engineering an injection or drink or pill or whatever, which stimulates the host body's immune system to produce antibodies, changes whether it is a vaccine or not.

So there is probably some law somewhere that they think controls the situation and if these aren't "vaccines" under that law they can resist or it can be banned or whatever.

The medical community decides what and what is not a vaccine, not something as defined by laymen lawmakers. (Maybe Rand Paul can decide.)

 

[PeteOsborne]

I don't think that the method of engineering an injection or drink or pill or whatever, which stimulates the host body's immune system to produce antibodies, changes whether it is a vaccine or not.

The medical community decides what and what is not a vaccine, not something as defined by laymen lawmakers. (Maybe Rand Paul can decide.)

Don't believe this has to be posted but yet here it is.
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

 

[GameBoy27]

So vaccines work do they?

Yes they do TeeJay. Let's take Israel for example. Compare the number of cases and deaths between then and now. They started mass vaccinations in January 2021 and currently 56% of their population has been fully vaccinated. But I'm sure it's just a coincidence and you'll tell us the "real" reason their numbers are so low.

Jan. 27, 2021 - New COVID cases 11,934 - 7-Day average 6,575
May 12, 2021 - New COVID cases 30 - 7-Day average 38

Jan. 27, 2021 - New COVID deaths 92 - 7-Day average 61
May 12, 2021 - New COVID deaths 1 - 7-Day average 1

https://www.google.ca/search?q=covi...y43mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABAA&sclient=gws-wiz

https://www.google.ca/search?q=covi...YAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

 

[Valcazar]

I don't think that the method of engineering an injection or drink or pill or whatever, which stimulates the host body's immune system to produce antibodies, changes whether it is a vaccine or not.

It's just definitional issues. Definitions and labels evolve. Sometimes they are relevant, sometimes they aren't.
If "vaccine" means "something that stimulates the body's immune system to promote active immunity to a specific pathogen" then obviously these are vaccines.
If "vaccine" is a more specific subgroup of the things above and only means "dead virus or bacteria injected for the purpose of stimulating the body's immune system..." then it wouldn't.

It would only matter if it is relevant to something.

The medical community decides what and what is not a vaccine, not something as defined by laymen lawmakers. (Maybe Rand Paul can decide.)

Of course laymen and lawmakers can define it. If they want to define "vaccine" strictly then they can. Lots of things are polysemic. "Planet" has more than one definition and different things are planets depending on who is defining it.

 

[shack]

Don't believe this has to be posted but yet here it is.
Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

Never hurts to post facts/the truth.

Lawmakers are not the ones to decide what constitutes a vaccine.

 

[shack]

It's just definitional issues. Definitions and labels evolve. Sometimes they are relevant, sometimes they aren't.
If "vaccine" means "something that stimulates the body's immune system to promote active immunity to a specific pathogen" then obviously these are vaccines.
If "vaccine" is a more specific subgroup of the things above and only means "dead virus or bacteria injected for the purpose of stimulating the body's immune system..." then it wouldn't.

Which is another way of saying that it is semantics and using them to fit an agenda.

It is not science. It is BS.

 

[Valcazar]

Never hurts to post facts/the truth.

Lawmakers are not the ones to decide what constitutes a vaccine.

Of course they are. So are scientists.
They are likely to have different definitions at times and the same at others.

Which is another way of saying that it is semantics and using them to fit an agenda.

It is not science. It is BS.

Of course this i semantics to fit an agenda, that's what I said from the beginning.