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bver_hunter

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More reason why HegSHit is a threat to the security of not only the Americans, but us in Canada as well as the NATO Nations plus Allies!!
But it is not only HegShit, but the likes of Gabbard and Waltz are displaying their incompetence:

Reporters say they found Waltz, Gabbard, Hegseth private contact info online

 

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More reason why HegSHit is a threat to the security of not only the Americans, but us in Canada as well as the NATO Nations plus Allies!!
But it is not only HegShit, but the likes of Gabbard and Waltz are displaying their incompetence:

Reporters say they found Waltz, Gabbard, Hegseth private contact info online

Yup, its a total clown show
 

Butler1000

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WTF does that have to do with a rogue administration that is in power now and you trying to always circle back to blame the Dems? I might as well ask you why O'Toole lost to Justin.
He was a bad candidate, no charisma, no platform, and wrong time.

Just like Harris
 
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Valcazar

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And the only reason, at the end of the term, to suddenly issue a warning would be because they found people using it wrongly. To cover their own asses.
I see we are back to "Butler has found a preferred narrative and therefore that is the only possible truth, evidence not needed" again.
 

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Authorizing Signal to use is one thing; I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE the Biden administration claiming to use Signal for military operations being okay, DO YOU? Do you have any proof besides your BUtt facts that any admin besides this current bumbling one that Signal was ever used for military purposes?? I can answer this one for you, NO YOU DON'T! Stop making assumptions and declaring your silly assumptions to be fact.
But if he stopped asserting his assumptions as undeniable fact, would Butler even know what to do with himself?
 
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The left got some ammo...LoL...Of course a head should roll...but IMO the rest will just move on...but we know who can't move on... liberal terbies...they haven't even moved on from the Jan 6 protests...
 
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I never said they did. What was claimed and refuted was the Biden administration never authorized its use PERIOD.

And considering how they hid his cognitive decline, arguably one of the largest national security breaches in US history, thinking their sudden warning, at the end of the term, was to CYA conversations that should not have happened on Signal, is entirely appropriate.


It would be quite plausble they used it and the conversation deletion mode to discuss his senility as an example. No doubt Ukraine and Israeli war conversation occured as well.
You know what, though?

Let's play this out with you claims.

Obviously, the last paragraph is just the typical "It is plausible" immediately shifting to "No doubt" that you do.
No need to rehash that, @squeezer has been underlining it for us quite well.

But let's look at the claims and agree we can work backwards and hopefully clarify what is and isn't being claimed and supported by what evidence.

Claim number 1: What was claimed and refuted was the Biden administration never authorized its use PERIOD.

Please show that original claim (Biden administration never authorized its use PERIOD).
I think everyone agrees that such a claim (if it was made) was refuted.
(I would like to know what document you think specifically refutes it, out of curiousity on how you process sources, but that's not really crucial.)


Claim number 2: thinking their sudden warning, at the end of the term

Which warning was this? Lots of documents concerning Signal use have been dug up, so I would like to know what you think was an end of the term CYA warning.
You are hanging a lot of your assumptions on this CYA document and what it says and "reading between the lines" so I would like to know what lines you are reading between.
 
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squeezer

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I blame both. You are incapable of that.
There is nothing to blame both parties about this because the Biden administration conducted several military operations, and I never recall placing any of the pilots in danger because attack plans were compromised. If you want to express some BUTT facts now is the time to do it so we can all have a chuckle.
 
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squeezer

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He was a bad candidate, no charisma, no platform, and wrong time.

Just like Harris
and Pee Pee has charisma and a good platform now that ax the tax is gone?

Unfortunately for Harris, she was a black woman and the US electorate just isn't ready for that yet and instead chose a man with fake hair, bronzer and is a felon, sexual abuser AKA rapist and a conman. This is a sad statement but it is reality.
 

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and Pee Pee has charisma and a good platform now that ax the tax is gone?

Unfortunately for Harris, she was a black woman and the US electorate just isn't ready for that yet and instead chose a man with fake hair, bronzer and is a felon, sexual abuser AKA rapist and a conman. This is a sad statement but it is reality.
In the 2020 primary she was polling 6th in her own state behind Andrew Yang.....Andrew.....Yang. nuff saud. She didn't even make it to Iowa. And the Dems lost because a small bit important section of the electorate lost faith in the Dems ability to govern. Due to the big lie about Biden. So long as they don't realize that lesson they will never get better.

As for PP you are correct. He is lacking in charisma. And the main reason for his popularity was Trudeau. But guess what? Carney is also lacking in charisma, is actually stealing the Conservative platform, and is already bristling at the press on any negative questioning.

This race is going to be closer than people think. I won't make predictions at this point.

But how he handles Trump in the next few weeks will, I think, make or break him.

Btw, the tax isn't gone. Just held.
 

Butler1000

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There is nothing to blame both parties about this because the Biden administration conducted several military operations, and I never recall placing any of the pilots in danger because attack plans were comprised. If you want to express some BUTT facts now is the time to do it so we can all have a chuckle.
You are right. They didn't. Of course Waltz is an idiot. And should have been canned. I've said that repeatedly. When have I denied that?
 

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You are right. They didn't. Of course Waltz is an idiot. And should have been canned. I've said that repeatedly. When have I denied that?
There is lot more than one highly visible idiot in this administration. without even thinkin too hard there is at least 5 senior officials that are absolute idiots. That's what happens when the main (perhaps only) qualification is to suck up to Trump.
 
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Butler1000

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There is lot more than one highly visible idiot in this administration. without even thinkin too hard there is at least 5 senior officials that are absolute idiots. That's what happens when the main (perhaps only) qualification is to suck up to Trump.
In this case it comes down to the one guy who did the invite. But add Hegseth on for adding the classified information. The rest in this matter didn't do anything wrong.
 

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In this case it comes down to the one guy who did the invite. But add Hegseth on for adding the classified information. The rest in this matter didn't do anything wrong.
Are you kidding? They should not be using an external messenger app for discussing any government business amongst themselves. It fails the record retention requirements. They have secure, logged communications for that.
 

Butler1000

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Are you kidding? They should not be using an external messenger app for discussing any government business amongst themselves. It fails the record retention requirements. They have secure, logged communications for that.
I agree. And yet it was installed as part of the transition because the previous administration approved it. And the reason for that is ALL ADMINS do this to bypass accountability.

It's just they were were too stupid and got caught.
 

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You are right. They didn't. Of course Waltz is an idiot. And should have been canned. I've said that repeatedly. When have I denied that?
I never said you have condoned the idiot's actions and you do not seem to be a real MAGA supporter but if you were in the US and were able to vote, you would have chosen Trump over Harris. You want to always attack the DEMS at every chance even though they are not in power and have no control of anything at the moment. Yet, instead of just attacking the conman, you always roll on back to Biden, Harris and the Democratic party.
 
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I never said you have condoned the idiot's actions and you do not seem to be a real MAGA supporter but if you were in the US and were able to vote, you would have chosen Trump over Harris. You want to always attack the DEMS at every chance even though they are not in power and have no control of anything at the moment. Yet, instead of just attacking the conman, you always roll on back to Biden, Harris and the Democratic party.
Waltz was a mistake because Biden did not drop out soon enough for a convention where someone else would have been nominated
but he was a good president
 

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I agree. And yet it was installed as part of the transition because the previous administration approved it. And the reason for that is ALL ADMINS do this to bypass accountability.

It's just they were were too stupid and got caught.
One more time... installing an external messenger app does not mean it is condoned for official business. It's a simple concept. Stop trying to draw the previous administration into this absolutely colossal fuckup by these morons without evidence that they approved it for use in situations like this.

Here's a June 2021 DoD investigation into a guy who among other things, was encouraging people to inappropriately use Signal instead of the secure systems they had.


Appendix C refers to some of the DoD standards, including this summary about approved usage.

One of the don’ts listed under the cybersecurity guidance on defending the DoD information network was “[Do Not] use any non-DoD
instant messaging applications to share DoD information.”



DoDI 8170.01, “Online Information Management and Electronic Messaging,” January 2,
2019, states, “DoD personnel must not use personal e-mail or other nonofficial accounts to
exchange official information and must not auto-forward official messages to nonofficial accounts
or corporate accounts.” The Instruction also states, “Personal, nonofficial accounts may not be used
to conduct official DoD communications for personal convenience or preferences.” Specifically, the
Instruction states: “DoD personnel may not use personal, nonofficial accounts, to conduct official
DoD communications … .

Exceptions must meet the combined three conditions:
(1) Emergencies and other critical mission needs.
(2) When official communication capabilities are unavailable, impractical, or unreliable.
(3) It is in the interests of DoD or other USG missions.”

On March 18, 2020, the DoD CIO’s Chief of Staff distributed refresher guidance on defending
the DoD information network with “do’s” and “don’ts” to DoD senior officials, including
Mr. Goldstein, for dissemination to their components.

One of the don’ts listed under the cybersecurity guidance on defending the DoD information network was “[Do Not] use any non-DoD
instant messaging applications to share DoD information.”
 
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