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mandrill

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He is a marine vet who served in Iraq and graduated from Yale law school
so he is tough and smart

He must know, like others who follow Trump, that Trump is a fool
yet he supports him
You know he was a rear echelon PR flunky, huh? Nowhere near the front lines. Even then, he kissed ass
 

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Putin would have preferred to avoid a war, and it would have required a few small concessions by the USA and NATO that would have meant a lot to Russia and little to them, to avoid it.
True, just listen to Jeffrey Sachs and John Mearsheimer. They basically said if NATO kept moving closer, Russia would eventually respond. I realize Putin invaded, but the bear was poked, but lefties will never admit that.
 

SchlongConery

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But on the flipside, if you keep this war going, there's a good chance Putin conquers all of Ukraine.
Then you're in an even bigger shitboat
With only a bit more and better hardware and intelligence, Russia will fail. What comes after that 🤷‍♂️
 

mandrill

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I was speaking of the Western front. And the analogy holds in that context.
Re read my post. Czarist Russia fell in February 1917. The US Army arrived in France in May 1918.

Don't try and argue with me about history. You're not smart enough.
The Ukraine is probably more vulnerable to collapse than Russia. The West can send armaments and supplies, but they won't send soldiers.
No.
 

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No.


If Biden (and Obama) had have provided Ukraine with adequate ammunition and outdated surplus equipment earlier, and without the restrictions, Ukraine would likely have already vanquished Russia from Ukrainian territory. But Biden was chickenshit and was also hoping that by slowly meting out equipment that Ukraine would absorb and deplete as much Russian ammo, equipment and resources to weaken Russia into failure. It was a cruel thing to do.

But make no mistake, Trump is obligated to Putin on many fronts. He has to put up a bit of a show but he will pull support from Ukraine as directed by Russia. But not before dividing and further causing chaos in the west. Again, as is Russia's strategy for 80 years.
Oh come on, the US had the latest gear and lost to the Taliban. The weapons and tactics being used in this war, represent a sea change in modern warfare. No one imagined how warfare would evolve before our eyes, not even the Russias. Many systems they are using today were in very low rate production as their doctrinal use had not been fully established. Now they are churning it out. Remember the Russian "cope cages" they first put on their tank? Now standard issue for most armored vehicles.
 
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I was speaking of the Western front. And the analogy holds in that context.

The Ukraine is probably more vulnerable to collapse than Russia. The West can send armaments and supplies, but they won't send soldiers.
They're going to have to move their conscription age even lower....In short they're running out of men to put into this meat grinder.

 
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SchlongConery

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What do you think happened when the Soviet Union liberated/invaded Eastern Europe? Do you subscribe to the idea that Eastern Europeans voluntarily wanted to align with the Soviet Russians?

PS- Generally, I don't care about typos but you do want to change that last reference to Russia to Ukraine.
No way do I agree with that premise that eastern Europeans wanted to have anyything to do with the Soviet Union. My family comes from a Baltic country. Fled during the Soviet occupation in 1945. No one in the Baltics or Poland wanted to be "aligned" , ruled or brutally opressed by the Soviets. Nor have their homes, farms and property collectivized. Nor be shipped in a cattle car to Siberia for not toeing the Soviet line.

Most Russians who could, fled. the Soviet Union and modern day Russia.
 

WyattEarp

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Re read my post. Czarist Russia fell in February 1917. The US Army arrived in France in May 1918.
U.S. troops started arriving in 1917. The collapse of Germany is also a very good analogy in this context.

By the way, how did that Russian collapse in World War I end for the Ukraine?

You can fancy yourself a history expert, but you can't predict which side will fold first and what a new Russian regime would look like.
 

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No.


If Biden (and Obama) had have provided Ukraine with adequate ammunition and outdated surplus equipment earlier, and without the restrictions, Ukraine would likely have already vanquished Russia from Ukrainian territory. But Biden was chickenshit and was also hoping that by slowly meting out equipment that Ukraine would absorb and deplete as much Russian ammo, equipment and resources to weaken Russia into failure. It was a cruel thing to do.

But make no mistake, Trump is obligated to Putin on many fronts. He has to put up a bit of a show but he will pull support from Ukraine as directed by Russia. But not before dividing and further causing chaos in the west. Again, as is Russia's strategy for 80 years.
Its evolved into a largely drone war, with Ukraine fielding their own builds and Russia using more Iranian and Chinese drones.
American weapons aren't as useful, other than the long range missiles they never wanted to give them.

Trump let Russian media TASS into the press conference and booted out AP and Reuters.
 

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No way do I agree with that premise that eastern Europeans wanted to have anyything to do with the Soviet Union. My family comes from a Baltic country. Fled during the Soviet occupation in 1945. No one in the Baltics or Poland wanted to be "aligned" , ruled or brutally opressed by the Soviets. Nor have their homes, farms and property collectivized. Nor be shipped in a cattle car to Siberia for not toeing the Soviet line.

Most Russians who could, fled. the Soviet Union and modern day Russia.
No offense, but my friends of Baltic, Polish and other Eastern European backgrounds are generally very much in support of continuing to fight Russia.
You are of course entitled to hold that opinion.
 

SchlongConery

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After all the illegal western invasions and wars, you call Russia the devil? What will it take to eject Russia from those lands. Are you willing to contribute half your personal net worth and an arm to that cause?
Do I have to?

The amount of military hardware that the USA has sent to Ukraine is a tiny fraction of their military spending. And they get real time feedback and experience from the use of the weapons.

But I do agree that the USA has stuck their military where it doesn't belong on false pretences since Vietnam.
 
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SchlongConery

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No offense, but my friends of Baltic, Polish and other Eastern European backgrounds are generally very much in support of continuing to fight Russia.
You are of course entitled to hold that opinion.
I don't understand. Sorry.

I am not sure who is misunderstanding who but I support the continued fight against Russia. Are you saying your friends feel the same? If so, we agree.
 

WyattEarp

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Global Security has nothing to do with peace. If Russia wants peace, pull the troops.
If they were willing to go to war, why would the Russians voluntarily give up territory? And what territory should they give up? Back to 2013 borders or 2021 borders? Does that include Crimea?
 

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Do I have to?

The amount of military hardware that the USA has sent to Ukraine is a tiny fraction of their military spending. And they get real time feedback and experience from the use of the weapons.

But I do agree that the USA has stuck their military where it doesn't belong on false pretences since Vietnam.
I don't think you understand how US military spending works. In 2025 only 13B was budgeted for equipment for land forces. 61B for air and 48B for navy. So if the USA provided 110B for mostly land equipment. Thats like 8 years!!! the rest of the 820B is OPEX.
 

WyattEarp

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I don't understand. Sorry.

I am not sure who is misunderstanding who but I support the continued fight against Russia. Are you saying your friends feel the same? If so, we agree.
I'm saying people of these Eastern Euro backgrounds are more passionate about fighting the war than the average American.

Perhaps I am not tying all my posts together, but I was alluding to the U.S.' containment policy with the Soviet Union. The objective wasn't to seek defeat of the Soviet Union on a battlefield, but rather contain them and make it costly for them to pursue expansion and influence.

Fortunately, the Baltics, Poland, etc. escaped Soviet Russian domination after 45 years.
 
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