Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[SchlongConery]

Making peace with Russia is the best global security you can have

With due respect to some other times when you are right. But you cannot make a deal with the devil. Especially if you realize that the "peace" you and Trump are promoting really means that Russia is rewarded for invading Russia by the retention of the occupied lands.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895537902547001499

 

[mandrill]

One side or the other collapses.

If you are seeking a collapse of Putin's regime, perhaps you want Trump to commit U.S. doughboys to the lines.

PS- I don't think you could have possibly thought the history through.

I think I know about 100 times more European history than you, Earp.

Why would US troops be needed in the frontlines if Putin collapses?

And btw, Czarist Russia collapsed several months before the first Doughboy went over to Europe.

 

[mitchell76]

With due respect to some other times when you are right. But you cannot make a deal with the devil. Especially if you realize that the "peace" you and Trump are promoting really means that Russia is rewarded for invading Russia by the retention of the occupied lands.

So, do you want the war to go on for another 20 years??

 

[WyattEarp]

I agree, that's the only chance Poilievre has, to firmly tie Carney's policies to Trudeau's as per Oracle's post.
If Carney can distance himself enough, Poilievre's done.
IMO, Poilievre is not a bad guy but I don't think he's that likeable and his main appeal was the total disdain for Trudeau.
With Trudeau gone it's back to square one and with Trump and Ford securely in place, it may not even be that.

I think Poilievre has to swing for the fences and try to sell a bolder economic/industrial vision for the country, as well as
showing a willingness to ween off U.S. dependency.
Trudeau bashing and character assassination of whoever won't cut it anymore I don't think.
People have seen enough of that and understand that won't guarantee anything better.

Very good post even if I don't share all your views on economic matters.
Tying Carney to Trudeau's policies is normal party politics. Carney will have to differentiate himself from Trudeau.
I don't see a Canadian economy that isn't tied to the U.S. a great deal, but a bolder plan for economic development would be good for Canada.

 

[mitchell76]

LMAO

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895572494754648340

DONT PLAY WITH TRUMP

Trump and Vance BOOTED ZELENSKYY out of the White House President
@realDonaldTrump
& Vp
@JDVance
are not weak leaders like Biden and Kamala. They will stand up for us Zelenskyy found out Today!! You not running the show anymore! I can’t stop watching this! I was eating my http://CousinTs.com while enjoying our President and VP stand up for America.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

With due respect to some other times when you are right. But you cannot make a deal with the devil. Especially if you realize that the "peace" you and Trump are promoting really means that Russia is rewarded for invading Russia by the retention of the occupied lands

But on the flipside, if you keep this war going, there's a good chance Putin conquers all of Ukraine.
Then you're in an even bigger shitboat

 

[nottyboi]

Russia kicked out. Putin dead. Russia paying reparations to Ukraine and Europe.

And what will need to happen to bring that about? Just broad strokes. How many will have to die? Will it go nuclear?

 

[WyattEarp]

With due respect to some other times when you are right. But you cannot make a deal with the devil. Especially if you realize that the "peace" you and Trump are promoting really means that Russia is rewarded for invading Russia by the retention of the occupied lands.

What do you think happened when the Soviet Union liberated/invaded Eastern Europe? Do you subscribe to the idea that Eastern Europeans voluntarily wanted to align with the Soviet Russians?

PS- Generally, I don't care about typos but you do want to change that last reference to Russia to Ukraine.

 

[mitchell76]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895607160442405150

 

[mellowjello]

I don't see a Canadian economy that isn't tied to the U.S. a great deal, but a bolder plan for economic development would be good for Canada.

Agreed.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The deal was a vague letter of intent, and what he gets in return is the on going billions and billions. As well as assistance in negotiating a peace agreement.

He'd still want to bring up conditional terms.
Nothing unusual about it and of course the first thing he'd ask is security guarantees.

 

[The Oracle]

When was the last time we saw any Western leader act like this? No idea.

US politics I think has hit a new historic low. The Democratic Party has effectively collapsed as nothing more than controlled opposition and the GOP has no solid policy, or direction. It's literally a day to day, what the hell will happen next shitshow.

My prediction it will get worse before it gets better is coming true. The hubris of the Oligarchs is coming to the fore. Especially the Tech ones. Amazing how only a few years ago they were woke Democrats and now they see a clear opening and are taking it.

I'm really glad right now I reordered things in my life to secure things up. Rough times are clearly coming. Europe has a very tough choice to make. We shall see whether they will step up now. Because barring a complete capitulation by Zelensky(unless this is a ploy to try to get the Ukrainian parliament to remove him for some reason) Ukraine will not survive.

Thoughts on Saagar's interpretation of today's event?

 

[nottyboi]

With due respect to some other times when you are right. But you cannot make a deal with the devil. Especially if you realize that the "peace" you and Trump are promoting really means that Russia is rewarded for invading Russia by the retention of the occupied lands.

After all the illegal western invasions and wars, you call Russia the devil? What will it take to eject Russia from those lands. Are you willing to contribute half your personal net worth and an arm to that cause?

 

[mandrill]

And what will need to happen to bring that about? Just broad strokes. How many will have to die? Will it go nuclear?

Just play shit through, Notty.

Wait for the Russian economy to crumble a little more and a few more military fiascos. Just like 1917. Or any other regime collapse.

 

[the general]

At least Trump tells it like it is, in front of the press!! Totally, unlike Biden!!

Biden would say anything, and the big reason he was rarely in front of the press, or had pre-determined questions.

 

[WyattEarp]

I think I know about 100 times more European history than you, Earp.

Why would US troops be needed in the frontlines if Putin collapses?

And btw, Czarist Russia collapsed several months before the first Doughboy went over to Europe.

I was speaking of the Western front. And the analogy holds in that context.

The Ukraine is probably more vulnerable to collapse than Russia. The West can send armaments and supplies, but they won't send soldiers.

 

[261252]

I was not very familiar with Vance. Wow is he ever a little bitch!

Vance is a marine vet who served in Iraq and graduated from Yale law school so he is tough and smart and a weasel and a bitch and a liar and a syncophant

He must know, like others who follow Trump , that Trump is a fool
yet he supports him

I do not understand why? Is it all about power?

What we need are more women and gay leaders as they actually do care about people more than wealth and power and they do not have male ego

 

[SchlongConery]

So, do you want the war to go on for another 20 years??

No.


If Biden (and Obama) had have provided Ukraine with adequate ammunition and outdated surplus equipment earlier, and without the restrictions, Ukraine would likely have already vanquished Russia from Ukrainian territory. But Biden was chickenshit and was also hoping that by slowly meting out equipment that Ukraine would absorb and deplete as much Russian ammo, equipment and resources to weaken Russia into failure. It was a cruel thing to do.

But make no mistake, Trump is obligated to Putin on many fronts. He has to put up a bit of a show but he will pull support from Ukraine as directed by Russia. But not before dividing and further causing chaos in the west. Again, as is Russia's strategy for 80 years.

 

[nottyboi]

He'd still want to bring up conditional terms.
Nothing unusual about it and of course the first thing he'd ask is security guarantees.

There is no such thing as a security guarantee. Thats a mirage. Get used to it.