Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Dozens of nations have trustworthy relations with Russia and excellent diplomatic relations. The fact that Zelensky came here after agreeing to sign an agreement then went off the rails is instructive.

Trump and Vance went off the rails. Not Zelensky.
And you'd be naive to think that Zelensky would sign a deal without something in return.
And yeah the countries that have good relations with Russia are ones like Iran and North Korea. (I am ignoring China and India because the US has larger trade relations with those countries than Russia does).

 

[DesRicardo]

Zelensky doesn't want to negotiate a ceasefire. Why?

Because there is no guarantee on what happens if Russia attacks them again. Just like with Israel/Palestine, you can still get attacked/struck in a ceasefire.

It's a deal with tons of holes in it.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Of course i want to argue Trump would cut him off. That's the issue

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

 

[squeezer]

It really is true! "Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters" the proof is right here with the righties. It's incredible. No matter what level of stupidity this buffoon reaches, his supporters come in droves to back him up.

 

[261252]

I am deeply ashamed to share a border with a country whose leadership has sunk to such depths. America's credibility, already at an all-time low, has now plummeted even further. Trump and Vance acted like a pack of hyenas, pressuring Zelenskyy into accepting a bad deal that serves only their own interests. Their actions show no regard for Ukraine, global stability, or even the well-being of America itself.

The heated exchange between Trump, Vance, and Zelenskyy was not only unnecessary but blatantly undiplomatic. This incident is yet another example of how Trump has reduced American politics to a circus. Zelenskyy arrived at the White House expecting to sign a natural resources agreement and receive assurances of continued U.S. support. Instead, the meeting ended in a shouting match, with Trump and Vance effectively telling him to either concede Ukrainian territory to Russia or lose American backing altogether.

Their behavior only reinforces their status as Putin’s “useful idiots.” I can only hope this moment leads to mass defections from the MAGA movement, a decline in Mar-a-Lago membership, and a collapse in sales of Trump’s merchandise. Perhaps this will finally be the breaking point, I am not sure since I’ve underestimated MAGA loyalty before.

King Charlie should send a message of disapproval to Trump by cancelling his upcoming visit to Buckingham Palace.

Well stated .

What you saw was how Trump makes " The Art of the Deal"

Trump knows he has the upper hand so he goes for the juggler.
His racist father taught him that and he learned it from the Robber Barons

 

[SchlongConery]

Well the EU did very little for Ukraine when Biden was in power, so hopefully the EU will step up??

You suck and blow at the same time. Like nottsky

"Hopefully"? You have made it clear you support Russia and think Ukraine started this war and deserves to be forcibly annexed by Russia.

 

[SchlongConery]

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

It is the United States best interests to defang Russia. It is not in Trump's best interests though.

 

[261252]

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

You miss the deeper point. Appeasing Putin is like appeasing Hitler

We are involved in this war, it transcends borders

Putin is a meglomaniac, extreme narcissist, total sociopath (harms people without remorse), pathlogical liar, dictator, a demagogue (political leader who seeks support by appealing to prejudices ) is creating a plutocracy ( rule by the wealthy)

Does that sound like anyone else?

 

[Roger Sterling]

As Trump said, the US gave Ukraine $350 billion dollars, and the rich European countries like Germany, gave Ukraine as little money as possible, which pissed Trump off!!

that number — as with most of the garbage spewing from Trump — is absolutely made-up bullshit and has been proven as such.

 

[mandrill]

Paint me a picture of what a successful outcome in Ukraine looks like to you.

Russia kicked out. Putin dead. Russia paying reparations to Ukraine and Europe.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It is the United States best interests to defang Russia. It is not in Trump's best interests though

No, its in Trump's best interest to have peace in the world.

Its in my best interest too, because if this thing turns into WW3 my stocks and REIT's will go to shit

 

[Roger Sterling]

I was not very familiar with Vance. Wow is he ever a little bitch!

 

[nottyboi]

Trump and Vance went off the rails. Not Zelensky.
And you'd be naive to think that Zelensky would sign a deal without something in return.
And yeah the countries that have good relations with Russia are ones like Iran and North Korea. (I am ignoring China and India because the US has larger trade relations with those countries than Russia does).

The deal was a vague letter of intent, and what he gets in return is the on going billions and billions. As well as assistance in negotiating a peace agreement.

 

[DesRicardo]

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

When does the US ever do anything because they felt obligated to another country?

This is about Global Security. Having Russia expand, especially into Europe is not in the best interest of America.

 

[WyattEarp]

Paint me a picture of what a successful outcome in Ukraine looks like to you.

I'm not sure anyone here can.

There is modern precedence for proxy wars being fought to standoffs and the U.S. pursuing containment with nuclear powers. The group that seeks a total victory for the Ukraine is either naive or supporting further conflict for the sake of opposing Trump. I would hope for their own conscience it's the former.

The Biden Administration should have ended this war when it became clear that the Ukraine was fighting in a grinding stalemate.

 

[mellowjello]

There's sentiment and then there's pocket book.

I agree, that's the only chance Poilievre has, to firmly tie Carney's policies to Trudeau's as per Oracle's post.
If Carney can distance himself enough, Poilievre's done.
IMO, Poilievre is not a bad guy but I don't think he's that likeable and his main appeal was the total disdain for Trudeau.
With Trudeau gone it's back to square one and with Trump and Ford securely in place, it may not even be that.

I think Poilievre has to swing for the fences and try to sell a bolder economic/industrial vision for the country, as well as
showing a willingness to ween off U.S. dependency.
Trudeau bashing and character assassination of whoever won't cut it anymore I don't think.
People have seen enough of that and understand that won't guarantee anything better.

 

[mandrill]

Z could use Taras Bulba now.

Nah. Bulba would have gone straight for the wine cellar and looted that first.

 

[stinkynuts]

JD Vance continously demanding that Ukraine thank them is sickening. Imagine what kind of husband and father this prick is.

Fact check: Zelensky thanked Trump and the USA 33 times.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-thankful-us-fact-check/index.html

 

[mandrill]

I'm not sure anyone here can.

There is modern precedence for proxy wars being fought to standoffs and the U.S. pursuing containment with nuclear powers. The group that seeks a total victory for the Ukraine is either naive or supporting further conflict for the sake of opposing Trump. I would hope for their own conscience it's the former.

The Biden Administration should have ended this war when it became clear that the Ukraine was fighting in a grinding stalemate.

Grinding stalemate.... sort of like the Eastern Front in 1917. What happened next, Earp?

 

[Butler1000]

I will ask you again,



I know you cannot answer my questions honestly because you would be admitting for the last 4 years you fucked up.

It's a strawman, narrowed question. The real question is, would she have been a better president. And that depends on your idea of what's better.

To many in the USA, who don't want to fund wars, Trump is right. I'm a Canadian. I don't get a say in USA tax dollars.

Absolutely he is shitty on Canada, and Europe, and basically the world. And again. It's what USA voters chose. I don't get a say.

My posts were observations on how the Democratic party was out of step with American Opinion, chose a shitty leader, haven't had a real primary since Obama, were hypocrites and had lost their base due to been ineffective.

I was right. That is what you don't like. I predicted the outcome. That doesn't mean support.