Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

[mandrill]

I like how you can see from Mitch's manic reposting of the official party line that this is primarily about optics so they can do what they already wanted to do.

Mitch does this hundreds of times each and every day. It's just Mitch being Mitch.

If Mitch lived in Munich in 1938, he'd complain that the Jews in Auschwitz were taking too long to starve to death and it was costing Hitler too much money to kill them.

 

[squeezer]

Here are some interesting comments from a former Ukrainian minister. He seems like a straight shooter and a Ukrainian patriot. I'm sure the usual gaggle will want to besmirch him because he doesn't completely and unconditionally share their view.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889927699256463550

Pretzel away, the Dems would have attacked Zelensky as well, yes of course! LMFAO

Trumputin is making Russia proud! Is it making you feel patriotic as an American?

US sides with Russia in UN resolutions on invasion of Ukraine

The UK and France abstain as the UN Security Council passes a text that does not criticise Moscow.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine's former minister of economy, Tymofiy Mylovanov, said the choice to side with Russia was deliberate.

"This is no longer just rhetoric or political theatre," he said.

 

[nottyboi]

I am deeply ashamed to share a border with a country whose leadership has sunk to such depths. America's credibility, already at an all-time low, has now plummeted even further. Trump and Vance acted like a pack of hyenas, pressuring Zelenskyy into accepting a bad deal that serves only their own interests. Their actions show no regard for Ukraine, global stability, or even the well-being of America itself.

The heated exchange between Trump, Vance, and Zelenskyy was not only unnecessary but blatantly undiplomatic. This incident is yet another example of how Trump has reduced American politics to a circus. Zelenskyy arrived at the White House expecting to sign a natural resources agreement and receive assurances of continued U.S. support. Instead, the meeting ended in a shouting match, with Trump and Vance effectively telling him to either concede Ukrainian territory to Russia or lose American backing altogether.

Their behavior only reinforces their status as Putin’s “useful idiots.” I can only hope this moment leads to mass defections from the MAGA movement, a decline in Mar-a-Lago membership, and a collapse in sales of Trump’s merchandise. Perhaps this will finally be the breaking point, I am not sure since I’ve underestimated MAGA loyalty before.

King Charlie should send a message of disapproval to Trump by cancelling his upcoming visit to Buckingham Palace.

Paint me a picture of what a successful outcome in Ukraine looks like to you.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Zelensky doesn't want peace and likely sabotaged today's meeting on purpose.

He didn't sabotage anything.
But even if he did, he is right to not want peace.
He wants the US to give him military aid, that will help his country beat Russia back.
I have never been a proponent of aid, for precisely this reason.
When you depend on others, the money always runs out and when you dont have skin in the game, you tend to throw people under the bus like the US is doing right now.
However, Zelensky is right to want to fight on for his country.
The US should follow its long established traditions of supporting Europe and adhere to its stated obligation of supporting Ukraine "till the end".
Even if that was from a prior administration because it reflects on US credibility.
A mature administration would do that, but not Trump's.
Who else are the allies the US can rely on for anything?
China? Russia? Iran? North Korea?
Even disregarding America's stated obligations to Ukraine, this move by the Trump Administration, shows no forethought into how this might affect prospects for the US in the future and alienates all its allies.

 

[WyattEarp]

My one thought. When Zelensky was kicked out of the WH without getting lunch, he and his guys should have seized those food carts Cossack-style and "liberated" them when they left.

Z could use Taras Bulba now.

 

[SchlongConery]

Well, Biden fed him with $350 billion dollars.....LMAO

What disloyalty to The Leader!

It is a TRILLION dollars... at least.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Dozens of nations have trustworthy relations with Russia and excellent diplomatic relations. The fact that Zelensky came here after agreeing to sign an agreement then went off the rails is instructive.

Trump and Vance went off the rails. Not Zelensky.
And you'd be naive to think that Zelensky would sign a deal without something in return.
And yeah the countries that have good relations with Russia are ones like Iran and North Korea. (I am ignoring China and India because the US has larger trade relations with those countries than Russia does).

 

[DesRicardo]

Zelensky doesn't want to negotiate a ceasefire. Why?

Because there is no guarantee on what happens if Russia attacks them again. Just like with Israel/Palestine, you can still get attacked/struck in a ceasefire.

It's a deal with tons of holes in it.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Of course i want to argue Trump would cut him off. That's the issue

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

 

[squeezer]

It really is true! "Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters" the proof is right here with the righties. It's incredible. No matter what level of stupidity this buffoon reaches, his supporters come in droves to back him up.

 

[261252]

I am deeply ashamed to share a border with a country whose leadership has sunk to such depths. America's credibility, already at an all-time low, has now plummeted even further. Trump and Vance acted like a pack of hyenas, pressuring Zelenskyy into accepting a bad deal that serves only their own interests. Their actions show no regard for Ukraine, global stability, or even the well-being of America itself.

The heated exchange between Trump, Vance, and Zelenskyy was not only unnecessary but blatantly undiplomatic. This incident is yet another example of how Trump has reduced American politics to a circus. Zelenskyy arrived at the White House expecting to sign a natural resources agreement and receive assurances of continued U.S. support. Instead, the meeting ended in a shouting match, with Trump and Vance effectively telling him to either concede Ukrainian territory to Russia or lose American backing altogether.

Their behavior only reinforces their status as Putin’s “useful idiots.” I can only hope this moment leads to mass defections from the MAGA movement, a decline in Mar-a-Lago membership, and a collapse in sales of Trump’s merchandise. Perhaps this will finally be the breaking point, I am not sure since I’ve underestimated MAGA loyalty before.

King Charlie should send a message of disapproval to Trump by cancelling his upcoming visit to Buckingham Palace.

Well stated .

What you saw was how Trump makes " The Art of the Deal"

Trump knows he has the upper hand so he goes for the juggler.
His racist father taught him that and he learned it from the Robber Barons

 

[SchlongConery]

Well the EU did very little for Ukraine when Biden was in power, so hopefully the EU will step up??

You suck and blow at the same time. Like nottsky

"Hopefully"? You have made it clear you support Russia and think Ukraine started this war and deserves to be forcibly annexed by Russia.

 

[SchlongConery]

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

It is the United States best interests to defang Russia. It is not in Trump's best interests though.

 

[261252]

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

You miss the deeper point. Appeasing Putin is like appeasing Hitler

We are involved in this war, it transcends borders

Putin is a meglomaniac, extreme narcissist, total sociopath (harms people without remorse), pathlogical liar, dictator, a demagogue (political leader who seeks support by appealing to prejudices ) is creating a plutocracy ( rule by the wealthy)

Does that sound like anyone else?

 

[Roger Sterling]

As Trump said, the US gave Ukraine $350 billion dollars, and the rich European countries like Germany, gave Ukraine as little money as possible, which pissed Trump off!!

that number — as with most of the garbage spewing from Trump — is absolutely made-up bullshit and has been proven as such.

 

[mandrill]

Paint me a picture of what a successful outcome in Ukraine looks like to you.

Russia kicked out. Putin dead. Russia paying reparations to Ukraine and Europe.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It is the United States best interests to defang Russia. It is not in Trump's best interests though

No, its in Trump's best interest to have peace in the world.

Its in my best interest too, because if this thing turns into WW3 my stocks and REIT's will go to shit

 

[Roger Sterling]

I was not very familiar with Vance. Wow is he ever a little bitch!

 

[nottyboi]

Trump and Vance went off the rails. Not Zelensky.
And you'd be naive to think that Zelensky would sign a deal without something in return.
And yeah the countries that have good relations with Russia are ones like Iran and North Korea. (I am ignoring China and India because the US has larger trade relations with those countries than Russia does).

The deal was a vague letter of intent, and what he gets in return is the on going billions and billions. As well as assistance in negotiating a peace agreement.

 

[DesRicardo]

So do you feel the US owes Ukraine something, and that they have to keep funding this war, even if it goes on for another 10 years??

When does the US ever do anything because they felt obligated to another country?

This is about Global Security. Having Russia expand, especially into Europe is not in the best interest of America.