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Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

Valcazar

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So Harris would have turned on the US's allies, come after Canada, back up Russia and attempt to rob Ukraine of it's minerals for nothing in return? Okay bud, just admit you were wrong for constantly supporting the Repugs under Trumputin over the Dems .
It doesn't matter.
See, anyone who did anything to delay the decline was actively evil because of how much better things will be after the decline.
(That's when he is not arguing that there is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. See, the advantage of his position is he just gets to shift it as convenient.)
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Valcazar

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True, but at some level accurate polling is needed to understand where the electorate is moving.
Yes, but the question is always "how accurate"?
The 2024 polls were pretty accurate, but the US presidential race hinges on breakpoints far more dramatically than a parliamentary general election in Canada.
 

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I didn't hear Zelensky shouting...get it right. Trump and Vance attacked him verbally and Trump pointing his finger at him and not allowing Zelensky to speak...despicable.

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This is Trump doing "The Art of the Deal" for Ukraines minerals

That was "screaming" obvious when Vance butted in. NO FUCKING WAY would he have butted in on a meglomaniac like Trump unless Trump preplaned it

You have to feel for Zelensky begging the world to save his country and democracy while dealing with a meglomaniac

How many lies did Trump say ? No way has USA spent more than Europe on Ukranine

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mitchell76

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Zelensky just gave Trump a golden ticket. Now Trump has the optics to shut down all aid to Ukraine, turn up the heat on the investigation into the money laundering, and negotiations with Putin just got easier. This was a massive turning point for public perception of Ukraine, and I’d argue we are now closer to peace, now that Trump no longer has to worry about being seemingly supportive of Ukraine. He can come to terms with Putin, and Zelensky will remain at the kid’s table while the adults determine his fate. Today, the veil was lifted.
 
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Mr.Gr33k

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He did not escalate anything.
He politely told Vance he was dumb for talking about about diplomacy in Russia's favour.
But Vance and Trump being inexperienced with actual diplomacy didn't know how to handle it tactfully and ended up yelling at him.
I'm not sure if you're confused, lying or gaslighting... or you simply see what you want to see.

It was Vance who politely told Zelensky that arguments and bickering are reserved for "behind the closed doors" and not in front of the media.

Something tells me you didn't watch the entire video of the conference. Only click bait clips.
 

DesRicardo

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Republicans approved the last aid package back in April: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/us-house-approves-61bn-aid-ukraine
Ukraine is currently still feeding off that.

Now if you want to argue that Trump might cut Ukraine funding off, that could be true, but it still remains to be seen.
I do admit its not looking very good for Z unless he makes that mineral deal
Of course i want to argue Trump would cut him off. That's the issue. Everything before that is irrelevant because Agent Orange wasn't in office.

Zelensky's argument from what I'm making out is it is not an agreement to end the war.
 

K Douglas

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Zelensky doesn't want to negotiate a ceasefire. Why?
Also Trump should demand full financial transparency. No more funding until Zelensky presents his financial records from just before the war started to the present. Wonder if his net worth went up as much as Turdeau's?
 
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