AOC explains exactly what Trump and Musk are doing

[richaceg]

No, in that it is a terrible idea, but yes in that he was elected President.
He just shouldn't have unconstitutional and extra-legal powers.

So you mean he shouldn't have powers like Joe Biden had? You whiners whine about musk.... the suspicion that Joe Biden didn't even ran the country for 4 years is much more questionable.

 

[WyattEarp]

A vote for the GOP doesn't always mean a vote for fascist policies.
My allegation is that MAGA have hijacked those votes to push their narrative.
There is no balancing of priorities or "coalitions" here.
Those aren't even the right phrases/words to describe this.

Polling suggests there is sizeable support for the things you were criticizing.

 

[richaceg]

A vote for the GOP doesn't always mean a vote for fascist policies.
My allegation is that MAGA have hijacked those votes to push their narrative.
There is no balancing of priorities or "coalitions" here.
Those aren't even the right phrases/words to describe this.

Tell that to the woke that hijacked the DNC...and it's still going...you're actually a part of it... you still think men can be women right?

 

[richaceg]

Polling suggests there is sizeable support for the things you were criticizing.

Look at the protests... they can't even show how much people are there.. the pro Palestinian protests draws more crowds than them.

 

[WyattEarp]

That's not really new though.
"We barely won but let's pretend like it is a crushing mandate" is an approach that's been around for a while.

Yeah, I think the last go round was 2021.

 

[Valcazar]

Shaquille just figured out that political parties are built on coalitions. There is always a difficult balancing of priorities.

Many of the things the Biden Administration did were not widely or deeply popular.

But they weren't obviously illegal and unconstitutional on their face.

 

[Valcazar]

A vote for the GOP doesn't always mean a vote for fascist policies.
My allegation is that MAGA have hijacked those votes to push their narrative.
There is no balancing of priorities or "coalitions" here.
Those aren't even the right phrases/words to describe this.

I'd say it is more that the dominant factions in the GOP mostly agree on the first steps - destroy the administrative state and install a more autocratic executive power.
So the people who vaguely voted for things like "cheaper cost of living" and "I don't like Biden, he's old and boring" are being steamrolled because they aren't part of any of the dominant factions.

Coalitions almost always have dominant factions that push forward with their agenda and downplay other members of the coalition, so that part of the behavior isn't really exclusive to the Trump administration.

 

[ramblin]

Who did they vote in to run the country?

Not Elon, I can guarantee you that fact.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

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Coming soon to a Canadian theatre near you.

He has already been a villain in the Canadian theaters since 2017

 

[Valcazar]

So you mean he shouldn't have powers like Joe Biden had?

He shouldn't have powers Biden didn't have.
I mean, I personally think there are powers Biden had that Trump shouldn't because in general the Presidency is too strong, but that's not what we are talking about here.

You whiners whine about musk.... the suspicion that Joe Biden didn't even ran the country for 4 years is much more questionable.

Not really.
That's a suspicion you want to cultivate.
Musk is openly showing he runs the country to a large degree.

 

[Valcazar]

Polling suggests there is sizeable support for the things you were criticizing.

The polling on the Trump-Musk moves so far is pretty interesting.

Obviously it is early days and we would need to see more.
But Trump slipping from the high of his first few weeks, Musk being generally disliked, lots of the moves still polling negatively and DOGE polling worse than the agencies it is attacking in some cases.
Kind of a mixed bag.

 

[Valcazar]

Yeah, I think the last go round was 2021.

Cute.

We could only wish Biden had acted like he had a crushing mandate.
Even staying within the law, there are lots of places I think he could have been far more aggressive, even while acknowledging the slim majorities he was working with.

 

[richaceg]

He shouldn't have powers Biden didn't have.
I mean, I personally think there are powers Biden had that Trump shouldn't because in general the Presidency is too strong, but that's not what we are talking about here.



Not really.
That's a suspicion you want to cultivate.
Musk is openly showing he runs the country to a large degree.

"Openly showing" there iti s...your side just don't want to say the real word for it...transparency....

 

[richaceg]

The polling on the Trump-Musk moves so far is pretty interesting.

Obviously it is early days and we would need to see more.
But Trump slipping from the high of his first few weeks, Musk being generally disliked, lots of the moves still polling negatively and DOGE polling worse than the agencies it is attacking in some cases.
Kind of a mixed bag.

Generally disliked by the left and democrats you mean...why is it that your side thinks... they speak for everybody... look at the democrats...crying about Musk...the electorate aren't.

 

[Valcazar]

"Openly showing" there iti s...your side just don't want to say the real word for it...transparency....

Musk is being transparent about his position as more in charge than Trump, sure.
And I guess that qualifies as "transparency" (we know Musk is the one making the decisions, not Trump, usually).

But usually people use the term to mean that the public can see what government is doing and why, and that's the exact opposite of what is happening, given the immense effort Musk has undertaken to shield his decision making from the public not just now, but for years to come.

 

[Valcazar]

Generally disliked by the left and democrats you mean...why is it that your side thinks... they speak for everybody... look at the democrats...crying about Musk...the electorate aren't.

No.
Generally disliked.

Public Support for Elon Musk Is Plummeting, Even Among Trump Voters

Public opinion polling shows that support for Musk's rampage is falling at an astonishing rate, even among Trump voters.

futurism.com

Donald Trump's popularity, Democrats' response, Elon Musk, DOGE, and Gaza: February 9-11, 2025 Economist/YouGov Poll | YouGov

This week’s Economist/YouGov poll covers Donald Trump's popularity, his executive orders, congressional responses, Elon Musk, DOGE, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

today.yougov.com

 

[WyattEarp]

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He has already been a villain in the Canadian theaters since 2017

You need a Captain Canada.

 

[richaceg]

No.
Generally disliked.

Public Support for Elon Musk Is Plummeting, Even Among Trump Voters

Public opinion polling shows that support for Musk's rampage is falling at an astonishing rate, even among Trump voters.

futurism.com

Donald Trump's popularity, Democrats' response, Elon Musk, DOGE, and Gaza: February 9-11, 2025 Economist/YouGov Poll | YouGov

This week’s Economist/YouGov poll covers Donald Trump's popularity, his executive orders, congressional responses, Elon Musk, DOGE, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

today.yougov.com

If Trump is getting high approval rating...you know they like what's happening... a news piece isn't a measuring stck.

 

[Valcazar]

If Trump is getting high approval rating...you know they like what's happening... a news piece isn't a measuring stck.

He's not.

 

[versitile1]

0.16%. That’s how much president Musk is going to cut the US deficit by after he fires all those government employees he deems unworthy.