AOC explains exactly what Trump and Musk are doing

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When did that start happening?
well have you seen the outcry from the left? their faucet just turned off...

Trumps nominees are going in with ease...
The democrats shit the bed...and they will be in for another hurting in the election coming up...
Jeffries is close to tears...Lol
 
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No. Adams is going to presumably instruct NYC authorities to cooperate with ICE in rounding up alleged illegals.

In return for that, Trump will hold back the corruption prosecution against Adams, but not finally drop it. That ensures Adams keeps grovelling and sucking Trump's cock and balls forever. Because the second he pisses Trump off, Trump cranks up the corruption charges again.....

Not corrupt at all...... 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Adams is done as the mayor... he chose that hill to die from....he is not the priority...ICE wants to keep deporting illegals...and don't make a mistake...it wasn't the current DOJ that dropped his case...it was the Biden DOJ that did it...
 
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The King of Kings wants to be an economic Genghis Khan. If his strategy goes pear shape he can blame Biden and DEI.

I stopped following David Einhorn after he recommended investing in GM.

 

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well have you seen the outcry from the left? their faucet just turned off...

Trumps nominees are going in with ease...
The democrats shit the bed...and they will be in for another hurting in the election coming up...
Jeffries is close to tears...Lol
You are showing me Democrats.

I'm asking when " Trump brings unprecedented transparency and accountability to the federal government" happened.

(I know you didn't say that, I'm just clarifying since you seem to think I was talking about something else.)
 

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Adams is done as the mayor...
You think Hochul will remove him?
It's pretty bold, and not a power I want to see used casually, but this may be a situation that qualifies.

he chose that hill to die from....
What hill are you referring to?

he is not the priority...ICE wants to keep deporting illegals...
Yes, that's why they made the corrupt deal.

and don't make a mistake...it wasn't the current DOJ that dropped his case...it was the Biden DOJ that did it...
Really?
Please show your evidence of that.
 

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Yes.
They have apparently gone in and stolen money directly from New York State or city accounts.
(It's a little unclear.)

Money that was legally appropriated by Congress and spent by the Federal government was then just removed from accounts it seems.
So... not great.
As we have been discussing, this appears to be illegal and unconstitutional.



No charges have been filed.
That's a civil lawsuit by Bondi/DOJ.
Not a DOGE thing, so not an audit.



There are no audits.
Musk is reading the website Obama put in and making wild claims about what he thinks that means.

(While also getting his coders into the machines and taking control of government payments illegally.)
SO it's not really DOJ being weaponized...the civil lawsuit is legit...
What the fuck are you talking about reading Obama's
The message was loud and clear...Trump admin will gut useless arms of every department...and how will they find out which one is useless? that's where DOGE comes in...
you still wanna discuss USAID? FEMA? it's riddled with corruption and useless spendings...and you think nothing is real on those reports? really? there's ZERO misappropriation of funds?

All the previous president promised the same ..."gut useless spendings"...so far Trump is the only president who has the balls to face Congress and the opposition....
the executive branch can stop spendings...it's legal. you might not like it...
 
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You are showing me Democrats.

I'm asking when " Trump brings unprecedented transparency and accountability to the federal government" happened.

(I know you didn't say that, I'm just clarifying since you seem to think I was talking about something else.)
do you have a deadline for it? it's only been a month...
 
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SO it's not really DOJ being weaponized...the civil lawsuit is legit...
It might be.
Given they promised to weaponize the DOJ and go after Tish James and so on, I will assume they are keeping their promise until we see some details.


What the fuck are you talking about reading Obama's

That's the website he's been using.
It's about transparency in government spending.
Obama set it up about a decade ago.

The message was loud and clear...Trump admin will gut useless arms of every department...and how will they find out which one is useless? that's where DOGE comes in...
But DOGE hasn't been doing that. Not the "finding out part" - they have been doing the "gutting" part by way of their illegal withdrawal of funds and the layoffs and "buyouts".

They've been going in and fucking with the computers and taking over the payment systems.
That seems to be their real purpose - taking control via the software.
Laying in the infrastructure for later.
After all, they could do almost all of the policy re-ordering legally - they just don't want to since the whole point is to solidify their power grab.

you still wanna discuss USAID? FEMA? it's riddled with corruption and useless spendings...and you think nothing is real on those reports? really? there's ZERO misappropriation of funds?
I'm sure there is mispending and so on.
Trump fired the Inspector Generals who found billions of dollars of it after all.

But what DOGE has released so far has just been "spending Elon Musk doesn't like".
He's talked a lot of shit about "corruption" but hasn't shown any yet.
He will find some, I hope.
Most administrations have been able to make headway in that.
It would be a shame if Musk is so busy pursuing his own agenda he can't even manage some basic competence.

All the previous president promised the same ..."gut useless spendings"...so far Trump is the only president who has the balls to face Congress and the opposition....[
the executive branch can stop spendings...it's legal. you might not like it...
The courts don't seem to think it is legal.
But with Congress giving up its power and a lot of the judiciary maybe not up for the fight, Musk will be able to make his illegal actions legal just through power.
Might makes right and all that.
 

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It might be.
Given they promised to weaponize the DOJ and go after Tish James and so on, I will assume they are keeping their promise until we see some details.





That's the website he's been using.
It's about transparency in government spending.
Obama set it up about a decade ago.



But DOGE hasn't been doing that. Not the "finding out part" - they have been doing the "gutting" part by way of their illegal withdrawal of funds and the layoffs and "buyouts".

They've been going in and fucking with the computers and taking over the payment systems.
That seems to be their real purpose - taking control via the software.
Laying in the infrastructure for later.
After all, they could do almost all of the policy re-ordering legally - they just don't want to since the whole point is to solidify their power grab.



I'm sure there is mispending and so on.
Trump fired the Inspector Generals who found billions of dollars of it after all.

But what DOGE has released so far has just been "spending Elon Musk doesn't like".
He's talked a lot of shit about "corruption" but hasn't shown any yet.
He will find some, I hope.
Most administrations have been able to make headway in that.
It would be a shame if Musk is so busy pursuing his own agenda he can't even manage some basic competence.



The courts don't seem to think it is legal.
But with Congress giving up its power and a lot of the judiciary maybe not up for the fight, Musk will be able to make his illegal actions legal just through power.
Might makes right and all that.
How is charging civil lawsuits "weaponizing the DoJ"...if DoJ has (through ICE) have reasons to believe Hochul and James are indeed using their position to defy the executive order?
What has been done since the "OBAMA WEBSITE" was established?

So DOGE didn't find
USAID
-20M for sesame st. in Iraq
-trans opera
- “USAID giving $3.3 million to an organization headed by a vicious anti-Israel rapper is beyond the pale and emblematic of the problems that can exist when transparency is lacking in our government,” said Congressman Lawler. “Tomorrow’s Youth’s Executive Director compares the Palestinian experience to that of the Jews in Auschwitz is disgusting and calls into question the decision-making process by those at USAID.”

FEMA
-59M to house illegal immigrants...
-344Million to hurricane victims (without illegal immigration...that 59m could've been better.)
 
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How is charging civil lawsuits "weaponizing the DoJ"...if DoJ has (through ICE) have reasons to believe Hochul and James are indeed using their position to defy the executive order?
I haven't read the full filing yet.
Is it just bullshit or is it a legitimate question?
It seems all of these (she did Illinois as well last week) are just flat out a statement that the Supremacy Clause means the states have no right to not let the Feds do anything they want to do when they want to do it.
Even the way Bondi presented it (We sued Illinois and New York didn't listen) implies this is all about punishing political enemies publicly to "send a message to the others".

But maybe not!
I will have to see what I think when I read their full arguments and not just the press releases and MAGA cheering section drooling.

What has been done since the "OBAMA WEBSITE" was established?
Billions in waste, fraud, and abuse identified?
Lots of campaigns to shut off funding someone doesn't like and fund something they think isn't getting the attention it deserves?

So DOGE didn't find
USAID
-20M for sesame st. in Iraq
-trans opera
- “USAID giving $3.3 million to an organization headed by a vicious anti-Israel rapper is beyond the pale and emblematic of the problems that can exist when transparency is lacking in our government,” said Congressman Lawler. “Tomorrow’s Youth’s Executive Director compares the Palestinian experience to that of the Jews in Auschwitz is disgusting and calls into question the decision-making process by those at USAID.”
Well, no, they didn't "find" these things since they were all public already.
But also, none of that is corrupt.
It's just stuff you don't think they should fund.

Which is fine!
Policy differences are perfectly normal.
Musk and Congress could just decide new funding priorities and change the budget and what it gets spent on.
But that's not what they've chosen to do, now is it?

FEMA
-59M to house illegal immigrants...
-344Million to hurricane victims (without illegal immigration...that 59m could've been better.)
Again.
Nothing DOGE "discovered" since that all was public.
And again = where is the corruption here?
You disagree on the spending.
Congress can allocate the funds differently.

Why are you supporting the unconstitutional usurpation of power by the Executive branch?
 
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I haven't read the full filing yet.
Is it just bullshit or is it a legitimate question?
It seems all of these (she did Illinois as well last week) are just flat out a statement that the Supremacy Clause means the states have no right to not let the Feds do anything they want to do when they want to do it.
Even the way Bondi presented it (We sued Illinois and New York didn't listen) implies this is all about punishing political enemies publicly to "send a message to the others".

But maybe not!
I will have to see what I think when I read their full arguments and not just the press releases and MAGA cheering section drooling.



Billions in waste, fraud, and abuse identified?
Lots of campaigns to shut off funding someone doesn't like and fund something they think isn't getting the attention it deserves?



Well, no, they didn't "find" these things since they were all public already.
But also, none of that is corrupt.
It's just stuff you don't think they should fund.

Which is fine!
Policy differences are perfectly normal.
Musk and Congress could just decide new funding priorities and change the budget and what it gets spent on.
But that's not what they've chosen to do, now is it?



Again.
Nothing DOGE "discovered" since that all was public.
And again = where is the corruption here?
You disagree on the spending.
Congress can allocate the funds differently.

Why are you supporting the unconstitutional usurpation of power by the Executive branch?
Illinois and Chicago drew first blood on this... they knew what the mandage for Trump was and was quick to have a presser that they will "fight" (their words exactly) ICE for going after illegal immigrants....what the fuck were they thinking?

Musk / DOGE are simply pointing out that there are a lot of wasteful spendings...something Americans may or may have not access...there are a lot of smoke and mirrors in these agencies (up to you to believe it or not)
Any layman can go access public info on these but the layering could be not easy...are you sure "sesame st. in Iraq" will be easy to locate?

What did the executive branch usurp?
 
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Illinois and Chicago drew first blood on this... they knew what the mandage for Trump was and was quick to have a presser that they will "fight" (their words exactly) ICE for going after illegal immigrants....what the fuck were they thinking?
Probably thinking that they have legal powers and jurisdiction and the Federal government isn't supposed to be a tyranny.

Musk / DOGE are simply pointing out that there are a lot of wasteful spendings...something Americans may or may have not access...there are a lot of smoke and mirrors in these agencies (up to you to believe it or not)
Any layman can go access public info on these but the layering could be not easy...are you sure "sesame st. in Iraq" will be easy to locate?
Anyone could have gone and publicized it.
But of course, they aren't "simply pointing out there are a lot of wasteful spendings".
They are doing freezes.
They are usurping congressional authority over the purse strings.
They are clawing back money by going into bank accounts.
They are illegally firing people.

And, as Elon himself admitted, they are telling people incorrect things about the spending they are finding.


What did the executive branch usurp?
Congressional authority over appropriations is the main thing.
The President doesn't have the power of the purse.
 

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Probably thinking that they have legal powers and jurisdiction and the Federal government isn't supposed to be a tyranny.



Anyone could have gone and publicized it.
But of course, they aren't "simply pointing out there are a lot of wasteful spendings".
They are doing freezes.
They are usurping congressional authority over the purse strings.
They are clawing back money by going into bank accounts.
They are illegally firing people.

And, as Elon himself admitted, they are telling people incorrect things about the spending they are finding.




Congressional authority over appropriations is the main thing.
The President doesn't have the power of the purse.
Who's job is it to remove illegal immigrants from the country? Definitely no the state. it's immigration (ICE)...the state and city could either assist or get the fuck out of the way...but not impede.
Doge isn't doing the freezing...the executive branch is.
Doge isn't clrawing back money - the executive branch is
Since when is it illegal for the executive branch to fire people?
Did Obama "illegally" fire people?
Did Clinton too?
The executive branch has the power to decide which to fund or not to fund...hence the "freeze"
 
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Who's job is it to remove illegal immigrants from the country? Definitely no the state. it's immigration (ICE)...the state and city could either assist or get the fuck out of the way...but not impede.
Doge isn't doing the freezing...the executive branch is.
Doge isn't clrawing back money - the executive branch is
Since when is it illegal for the executive branch to fire people?
Did Obama "illegally" fire people?
Did Clinton too?
The executive branch has the power to decide which to fund or not to fund...hence the "freeze"
Actually, they don't.
At least, not according to the Constitution.
And I get it, "We want a more monarchical system, more autocratic, and where laws can be flouted by our lords and masters with money" is something lots of people (and you in particular) want.
But quite a few people don't want that.
 
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That's the website he's been using.
It's about transparency in government spending.
Obama set it up about a decade ago.
so no big deal if it is used to highlight wasteful, stupid govt spending


They've been going in and fucking with the computers and taking over the payment systems.
read only access is not 'fucking with'
there will be at least ,one , perhaps more back up copies at a secure secondary site with date/ time / user access ID stamps.
Standard operation procedure for all institutions that process financial transactions
Muck can not be in two places at once to simultaneously over write records

That seems to be their real purpose - taking control via the software.
Laying in the infrastructure for later.
Do you stay up at nights dreaming about conspiracies?

here is the issue
THE FAIR SHARE FALICY
  • In 2021, taxpayers filed 153.6 million tax returns, reported earning more than $14.7 trillion in adjusted gross income (AGI), and paid nearly $2.2 trillion in individual income taxes.
    [*]The average income tax rate in 2021 was 14.9 percent. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 25.9 percent average rate, nearly eight times higher than the 3.3 percent average rate paid by the bottom half of taxpayers.
    [*]The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 22.2 percent in 2020 to 26.3 percent in 2021 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 42.3 percent to 45.8 percent.
    [*]The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
The US government debt that has it has accumulated in its 240 year history is projected to double in nine short years
If government spending is not reigned in RIGHT NOW, the compounding of interest will assure the govt become insolvent
if that happens Bye Bye Social Security, Bye Bye Medicare, Medicaid and hello world wide economic depression.
Is your goal to discredit capitalism by destroying the economy?

YOU WILL IGNORE THE FAIR SHARE FALICY and IGNORE THE DEBT BOMB, because it is inconvenient for you.

no lefty will go anywhere near these FACTS

As for Musk, he got hit with a $ 12 or14 Billion tax bill , the largest in US history
And he knows there is mega tax dollars being shipped overseas and wasted.
He has been successful by driving efficiency.
He knows what the govt debt bomb will do to the population

So he is motivated to eliminate govt waste

After all, they could do almost all of the policy re-ordering legally - they just don't want to since the whole point is to solidify their power grab.
Do you stay up at nights dreaming about conspiracies?
 
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