"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

Skoob

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But the present US government is unhinged and follows no rational methods of diplomacy. The President today is an unhinged grifter who has only one burning desire... to be notorious ( whether for good or bad deeds, it doesn't matter and if it's bad, he just calls it good)
Really?
How many wars did he start while in office?
Now compare that to his predecessor.

I'll wait...
 

nottyboi

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You know, if you wanted peace you could push for Israel to stop invading other countries and taking their land.
That makes Israel an existential threat to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria directly, and an existential threat to Egypt, Iran and Yemen indirectly.

Why won't you accept Palestine's right to exist?
The world does, why won't you?

WTF is with Micronesia and Naru. Hamas should fuck them up. lol
 
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You know, if you wanted peace you could push for Israel to stop invading other countries and taking their land.
That makes Israel an existential threat to Palestine, Lebanon and Syria directly, and an existential threat to Egypt, Iran and Yemen indirectly.

Why won't you accept Palestine's right to exist?
The world does, why won't you?
Everything you say conveniently omits the fact that Israel needs guarantees from the entire middle east that they acknowledge Israel's right to exist. And that includes Iran ruaranteeing that they will not fund groups like hamas, hezbolla etc. Everything else you mention stems from Israel's need to be proactive in its' efforts to keep their citizens safe.

Any Israeli expansion has stemmed from responses to Arab attacks, starting with the 6 day war. Israel was content with the 1967 borders. They had to keep increasing buffer zones to protect themselves. As well, the constant invasions and terrorist attacks is what has created the increased hawkishness of citizens and politicians. Just as you say occupation hardens Palestinian resolve, the same has happened in Israel with the 6 Day War, the Yom Kippur War, the Oct.7 war, every war in between as well as continued rocket attacks from Gaza, hamas, Golan Heights. Israelis get tired of being attacked. Arab aggression over the the last 50-75 is what created things like ADL and people like Kahane and Ben Gvir. They happened because of the existential threat to Israel from the Arab world.

Before anything else can happen, Israel needs assurances from the entire Arab world that they have the right to exist. Otherwise, they must remain vigilant.
 

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Everything you say conveniently omits the fact that Israel needs guarantees from the entire middle east that they acknowledge Israel's right to exist. And that includes Iran ruaranteeing that they will not fund groups like hamas, hezbolla etc. Everything else you mention stems from Israel's need to be proactive in its' efforts to keep their citizens safe.

Any Israeli expansion has stemmed from responses to Arab attacks, starting with the 6 day war. Israel was content with the 1967 borders. They had to keep increasing buffer zones to protect themselves. As well, the constant invasions and terrorist attacks is what has created the increased hawkishness of citizens and politicians. Just as you say occupation hardens Palestinian resolve, the same has happened in Israel with the 6 Day War, the Yom Kippur War, the Oct.7 war, every war in between as well as continued rocket attacks from Gaza, hamas, Golan Heights. Israelis get tired of being attacked. Arab aggression over the the last 50-75 is what created things like ADL and people like Kahane and Ben Gvir. They happened because of the existential threat to Israel from the Arab world.

Before anything else can happen, Israel needs assurances from the entire Arab world that they have the right to exist. Otherwise, they must remain vigilant.
You’ve become a mindless Zionist wind-up doll spouting the tired old scripts peddled by Hillel
 
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Zionism is the desire for Jews to have their own state.
With no regard to the people already living there. They have their own state, why does it have to expand. Why do they need to kill others, demolish their homes and burn their farms?
 
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With no regard to the people already living there.
That's your interpretation. You live in Canada yet do not object to how our indigenous people were treated. Have you posted on that topic? If not, then thanks for reinforcing the old adage of "No Jews, no news.)

Regardless, the international community gave them that land, knowing full well of the people already living there. The Arabs were also granted land but flat out refused it.

They have their own state, why does it have to expand.
I explained that.
 

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That's your interpretation. You live in Canada yet do not object to how our indigenous people were treated. Have you posted on that topic? If not, then thanks for reinforcing the old adage of "No Jews, no news.)

Regardless, the international community gave them that land, knowing full well of the people already living there. The Arabs were also granted land but flat out refused it.


I explained that.
Who said the arabs refused it. Israel attacked them and they fled, then Israel passed laws stealing the land from the Arabs. Yes Canada was built on genocide was the USA, that was a different era and was common pratice at the time. Israel has slow walked its genocide until now. Its funny you say the "international community gave them the land" What was given to Israel is well documented. So what right do they have to take more then was granted and murder those that are there? Even then they had no right to seize property from those that possessed it.
 
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Who said the arabs refused it.
History. The 1948-1967 borders were exactly what Israel was granted by the powers that be at that time. It did not include any land that was intended for any Arab peoples. The only reason that could be is that the Arabs turned it down flat. It simply remained frontier desert land.

Any changes to the border since were a direct result of Arab attacks/aggression against Israel and Israel needing buffer zones to defend against future attacks. The entities that attacked Israel directly created any changes from the 1948-67 borders. Israel's actions were reactive, not proactive. (West Bank settler attacks notwithstanding.)
 

nottyboi

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History. The 1948-1967 borders were exactly what Israel was granted by the powers that be at that time. It did not include any land that was intended for any Arab peoples. The only reason that could be is that the Arabs turned it down flat. It simply remained frontier desert land.

Any changes to the border since were a direct result of Arab attacks/aggression against Israel and Israel needing buffer zones to defend against future attacks. The entities that attacked Israel directly created any changes from the 1948-67 borders. Israel's actions were reactive, not proactive. (West Bank settler attacks notwithstanding.)
They did not turn down the land they turned down tghe agreement. Israel expelled arabs and passed laws to seize their land.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jan/31/israel

you need to stop lying to sanatize genocide. You are helping kill more children and babies with every falsehood you spread to defend Israel. The arab govts may havce refused the agreement, does that allow Israel to go there and murder the people there? GEEZ give you head a shake.
 
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They did not turn down the land they turned down tghe agreement. Israel expelled arabs and passed laws to seize their land.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jan/31/israel

you need to stop lying to sanatize genocide. You are helping kill more children and babies with every falsehood you spread to defend Israel. The arab govts may havce refused the agreement, does that allow Israel to go there and murder the people there? GEEZ give you head a shake.
It lie upon lie until it’s a mountain of falsehoods. These Ziontologists live in an imaginary world full of hate, racism and victim hood.

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They did not turn down the land they turned down tghe agreement. Israel expelled arabs and passed laws to seize their land.
What do you think "partition" meant. there was a big chunk of land. Part was for the Jews and part was for the Arabs.

The land Israel had from 1948-67 was no more than what they were granted, their part. Any Arabs who left that area was because they did not want to live with Jews, not because they were forced out. In fact, many Arab landowners willingly sold their land to Jews. Just as 2 million Arabs currently live in Israel as full citizens, that would have been the case then if they so desired. Why have there always been Arab-Israeli citizens if Israel expelled them. Why are there Arab-Israeli landowners if laws were passed to prevent that from happening?

The Arabs refused to create a nation in the part granted to them. It remained frontier. And because they didn't form a state they became refugees and remain so until this day. Pretty fucking stupid to want to be refugees instead of having your own legitimate country. And they most certainly had the chance to.

But you go ahead and believe what you want. Hate can warp people's perceptions.
 

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What do you think "partition" meant. there was a big chunk of land. Part was for the Jews and part was for the Arabs.

The land Israel had from 1948-67 was no more than what they were granted, their part. Any Arabs who left that area was because they did not want to live with Jews, not because they were forced out. In fact, many Arab landowners willingly sold their land to Jews. Just as 2 million Arabs currently live in Israel as full citizens, that would have been the case then if they so desired. Why have there always been Arab-Israeli citizens if Israel expelled them. Why are there Arab-Israeli landowners if laws were passed to prevent that from happening?

The Arabs refused to create a nation in the part granted to them. It remained frontier. And because they didn't form a state they became refugees and remain so until this day. Pretty fucking stupid to want to be refugees instead of having your own legitimate country. And they most certainly had the chance to.

But you go ahead and believe what you want. Hate can warp people's perceptions.
there were several porgroms and attacks to "encoruage" them to leave. like you see EVERY DAY in the west bank. People don't just get up and leave their home and everythng they have. Only a idiot would believe that.
 

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there were several porgroms and attacks to "encoruage" them to leave. like you see EVERY DAY in the west bank. People don't just get up and leave their home and everythng they have. Only a idiot would believe that.
Are you saying that Israel was not granted any land as a result of partition?
 

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They should drop those 21,000 lb bombs on Iranian nuke centers. The MOABS. Or some small nukes that will wipe out the facility hidden under a mountain.
 

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Blame the Ottomans and the British Mandate. Israel took what was granted them and the Arabs refused theirs. That's history.
No, that’s fiction. Have you taken a university course on Middle East history? Almost every part of your posts have been a complete lie. Is that your contribution to POS Nation…..lying?
 
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Really?
How many wars did he start while in office?
Now compare that to his predecessor.

I'll wait...
Curious - are you referring to Obama or Biden?
I don't think they started any wars. They ended Iraq and Afghanistan. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Trump did assassinate that Iranian general which was an act of war btw.
(However, I'm good with introducing that bloke to the virgins).
 
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