"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

Klatuu

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Was it wrong for USA to smack Iraq because of the WMD? it turns out it was because there was none... This is probably why they are treading lightly...if it turns out Iran DOES have WMD what do you think is the next step for USA/NATO? I would bet nobody would sleep tightly at night in the Middle East from here on out...
Why Iran having Nukes is bad.
-They will find a reason to use it eventually. If they can launch hundreds of rockets to Israel because of the conflict that has nothing to do with them. You know they're volatile.
-It would make Israel uneasy just knowing Iran has them - it makes them just as volatile.
-Everyone around Iran will not like this either.
The only positive I see in here is that this could put the citizens at the brink of a revolution...Iran was almost westernized decades ago and was brought back to where it is now... there's a vast number of youths wanting to progress and feel the nation is being held back by ancient beliefs... Iran's problem is the people running it...

I have travelled to Iran, Qatar, Abu Dhabi Israel and Egypt. They love western culture. or at least most of the people I've met.
A wonderful demonstration of how inadequate knowledge, bigotry and fantasy can work together in harmony
 
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Frankfooter

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You know what I said is true...you just in denial. I expected it coming from you.
No, your analysis is really quite clueless.
Iran's leaders are despots, but smart. They don't start wars they could lose, they would never attack nuclear armed Israel.
Again, all the US/Israeli pressure has done over the years is to pressure the government to keep the hardcore side in power and lessen the chance of reform.

If you don't want Iran to build nukes stop threatening them with war all the time.
 
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No, your analysis is really quite clueless.
Iran's leaders are despots, but smart. They don't start wars they could lose, they would never attack nuclear armed Israel.
If you don't want Iran to build nukes stop threatening them with war all the time.
And I'm the clueless one?
 

Frankfooter

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And I'm the clueless one?
Yes, Israel tried to goad Iran into war 3 times during the genocide and each time Iran managed a balanced response that allowed them to look like they were resisting without giving Israel the rationale to justify a full on war. They outplayed Israel and the US and kept war from happening.
 

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Yes, Israel tried to goad Iran into war 3 times during the genocide and each time Iran managed a balanced response that allowed them to look like they were resisting without giving Israel the rationale to justify a full on war. They outplayed Israel and the US and kept war from happening.
How did they "goad" Iran?
 

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First, it was an act of war whether you think so or not. Iran drone strikes the head of the joint chiefs of the usa, would usa not consider it an act of war?
Second - Obama more wartime president? More than ...Bush I? Bush II? Nixon? LBJ? JFK? Truman? FDR? Hmm...

In fact, since you're interested in facts, hostile Action deaths for US presidents:

Biden (4 years): 16
Trump (4 years): 65
Obama (8 years): 1,517
GW Bush (8 years): 3,783
Clinton (8 years): 1
GHW Bush (4 years): 170
Reagan (8 years): 58 (+ 263 marines blown up in Lebanon)
Carter had like 18.
Nixon had 47,000.
LBJ had like 30,000.

Obama inherited 2 wars. He shut one down fully. He didnt start any.

You could look it up. I did. Don't rely on pundits or tweets! You can check yourself, maybe my maths is off a bit.

Obama holds the distinction of being at war for every year of his presidency.

I know it doesn't jive with your narrative but it's true no matter how much lipstick you try and put on that pig of a record.

Wow Obama had a LOT of hostile action deaths under his watch...fits his war monger character! Trump is a puppy compared to him!
 

Skoob

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Nothing in that article contradicts what I said.
You asked specifically about how many wars were started.
I answered with the facts.
It isn't my fault that upsets you.
How can someone who is portrayed as such as peaceful president compared to Trump be at war for every year of his presidency?

(waiting to see how much slack you can provide...)
 

Skoob

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He has declared war on Canada. Not just the tariffs, because he keeps saying we should be the 51st state. He wants to destroy our country and get his hands on our resources. Is that what you call a peaceful friend and neighbour?
He hasn't declared war on Canada.
He doesn't want to destroy Canada.

Let's get back on topic shall we?

Obama not only was America's most war time president, he also earned the nickname "Deporter in Chief"...any idea why that is?

I mean he's such a nice guy compared to Trump right?
 

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He hasn't declared war on Canada.
He doesn't want to destroy Canada.

Let's get back on topic shall we?

Obama not only was America's most war time president, he also earned the nickname "Deporter in Chief"...any idea why that is?

I mean he's such a nice guy compared to Trump right?
The data presented way belie your point. Obama inherented 2 wars. He shut down 1 and stepped down the other. Why isn't GWB the most warlike? He had twice as many. He started both wars. You can't ignore context.
Obama had the border under control. Many fewer attempts to get in v Trump. Trump's plan was to make them suffer so they won't try to enter. He based it on lots of lies about immigrants committing more crimes, that people don't know what's going on, etc.
 

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The data presented way belie your point. Obama inherented 2 wars. He shut down 1 and stepped down the other. Why isn't GWB the most warlike? He had twice as many. He started both wars. You can't ignore context.
Of course he can ignore context.
That's a major component of his whole world view.

How can someone who is portrayed as such as peaceful president compared to Trump be at war for every year of his presidency?

(waiting to see how much slack you can provide...)
Trump was at war for every year of his presidency.
If that's the only criteria you are using, then use it.


Obama had the border under control. Many fewer attempts to get in v Trump. Trump's plan was to make them suffer so they won't try to enter. He based it on lots of lies about immigrants committing more crimes, that people don't know what's going on, etc.
Those famously left wing eggheads at the Cato institute have some thoughts.

 
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How did they "goad" Iran?
Wow, and you said you thought you were the one who was informed.
1) Israel fired a missile at the Iranian consulate in Syria, Iran did a token response that was broadcast and easily stopped intentionally.
2) Israel fired missiles into Iran near an airport in April, Iran didn't retaliate
3) Israel assassinated Iranians in Lebanon

 

Skoob

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The data presented way belie your point. Obama inherented 2 wars. He shut down 1 and stepped down the other. Why isn't GWB the most warlike? He had twice as many. He started both wars. You can't ignore context.
Obama had the border under control. Many fewer attempts to get in v Trump. Trump's plan was to make them suffer so they won't try to enter. He based it on lots of lies about immigrants committing more crimes, that people don't know what's going on, etc.
GWB wasn't at war for 8 years like Obama was.
Obama increased drone attacks so no he didn't really "step down" wars...he just replaced human soldiers.
Obama also put kids in cages at the border...you remember that right? You know...when a picture surfaced of kids in cages during Trump's first term and everyone assumed it was Trump doing that only to find out it was a pic from Obama's era...then crickets.
 

Skoob

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Trump was at war for every year of his presidency.
If that's the only criteria you are using, then use it.
Trump did not start or escalate any wars. You may want to check your facts.
Trump also didn't deport as many people as Obama. I mean who knew Obama hated immigrants that much?
 

Valcazar

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GWB wasn't at war for 8 years like Obama was.
There weren't wars already on when he started his term.
He then started wars.

Obama increased drone attacks so no he didn't really "step down" wars...he just replaced human soldiers.
Trump also increased drone attacks.
Are you suddenly against drone attacks?
 
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