"Iran cannot have nukes" Trump warns

Valcazar

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Again the deal was set to expire next year which would have allowed Iran to go back to the massive enrichment program they had before 2015. Maybe the UN would have re-engaged sanction until a new deal was formed but with Russia relying on Iran to support it's war on Ukraine, it is unlikely that they would pass the UNSC.

Trump brough the issue forward a few years but the problem would still be a problem unless Iran's leaders eventually decide that using a nuclear possibility as a threat isn't the best path forward.
You are assuming years of there being a deal in place would result in the same state now that Trump created having torn up the deal.
I think there is very little reason to make that assumption.
 

wigglee

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Really?
How many wars did he start while in office?
Now compare that to his predecessor.

I'll wait...
He's already talking about taking Greenland and Panama by military force, and Canada by economic sanctions. You have to realize his mental decline has gotten much worse over the past 8 years. He says if we join them we'll have better healthcare... do you believe that absurd lie?
 

Valcazar

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Curious - are you referring to Obama or Biden?
I don't think they started any wars. They ended Iraq and Afghanistan. But correct me if I'm wrong.
Yes, both Obama and Biden ended a war.

Now, if you are going to include "used military action" or "escalated military action" as a measure, the numbers change.
 

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My contention is that the land Israel was granted in 1948 is the same land they had domain over in 1967. Do you dispute that?
100%. That is a lie. it’s glaringly obvious that you provide no sources or maps. Given that, where you taught this fiction? Because we need to get to the bottom of where these lies emanate.
 
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Curious - are you referring to Obama or Biden?
I don't think they started any wars. They ended Iraq and Afghanistan. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Trump did assassinate that Iranian general which was an act of war btw.
(However, I'm good with introducing that bloke to the virgins).
It think it's funny that people think Trump is a war monger and potential threat when Obama holds the distinction of being America's most wartime president. Isn't that ironic?

That asshole general was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American service members and his regime is a terrorist organization. Still doesn't mean Trump started a war. He did the right thing.



Btw your question asking me if I was referring to Obama or Biden is a trick question. You don't think Biden was actually running things for the past 4 years do you?
 

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Everything you say conveniently omits the fact that Israel needs guarantees from the entire middle east that they acknowledge Israel's right to exist.
Your racial supremacy is blatant when you declare that only Israel and not Palestine have the right to exist.

Any Israeli expansion has stemmed from responses
Israeli expansion is settler colonialism based on beliefs of racial supremacy. Zionism is a racial supremacist movement who's apparent goal is to wipe Palestine from the maps and drive Palestinians into the sea. Now Israel is trying to expand to fulfill some 'greater Israel' colonial project.

Before anything else can happen, Israel needs assurances from the entire Arab world that they have the right to exist. Otherwise, they must remain vigilant.
Before peace can happen zionism must be dismantled and its leaders put on trial for genocide, apartheid and the illegal occupation of Palestine.

 
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Again the deal was set to expire next year which would have allowed Iran to go back to the massive enrichment program they had before 2015. Maybe the UN would have re-engaged sanction until a new deal was formed but with Russia relying on Iran to support it's war on Ukraine, it is unlikely that they would pass the UNSC.

Trump brough the issue forward a few years but the problem would still be a problem unless Iran's leaders eventually decide that using a nuclear possibility as a threat isn't the best path forward.
The JCPOA allowed full inspections to confirm Iran wasn't building nukes. Trump killed this at the behest of AIPAC and right wing hawks in order to declare Iran a rogue nuclear state to justify attack. The irony of one of the world's only 3 non-NPT signatories killing another nuclear treaty to justify war is lost on you.

There still is no evidence that Iran is building nukes and if you really wanted to make sure they weren't you would demand the US/Israel end sanctions on Iran and renew the JCPOA.
 
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My contention is that the land Israel was granted in 1948 is the same land they had domain over in 1967. Do you dispute that?
I am talking about what they were granted in the UN plan in 1947, they started the genocide before the ink was properly dry on the paper.

 
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Your racial supremacy is blatant when you declare that only Israel and not Palestine have the right to exist.
I commented on Israel and nobody else.

Your accusation against me is unfounded and inappropriate. Grow up.

Before peace can happen Zionism must be dismantled and its leaders put on trial for genocide, apartheid and the illegal occupation of Palestine.
If your message is decoded it means that there will be peace once all the Jews in Israel are driven into the sea. We already know that's your philosophy. No need to debate it again.
 

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The Brits had no right to give Palestine away to a foreign colonial movement.
But they did, didn't they. Instead of trying to make the best of a situation they didn't like by taking what was offered to them, they made it worse by by saying no and stomping their foot like a petulant child and now they've been refugees for 80 years.

Well boo hoo hoo to them. Decisions have consequences.

We've debated this before with the same conclusion. Israel has a homeland the Arabs/Palis do not. That is reality. No need to repeat these talking points.
 

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I commented on Israel and nobody else.

Your accusation against me is unfounded and inappropriate. Grow up.


If your message is decoded it means that there will be peace once all the Jews in Israel are driven into the sea. We already know that's your philosophy. No need to debate it again.
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He's already talking about taking Greenland and Panama by military force, and Canada by economic sanctions. You have to realize his mental decline has gotten much worse over the past 8 years. He says if we join them we'll have better healthcare... do you believe that absurd lie?
You seriously think he's going to invade Greenland? Lol!
Is that your "proof" that he's a war monger? haha that's funny!

You also want to compare Biden's mental state that was hidden by his party for his term, to Trump, who has achieved more leading up to taking office and in his first week than many?


So let's try that again...who was involved in more wars during their term in office...Obama or Trump?

I'll wait.

Bonus question: Who deported more people during their terms in office Biden or Trump?

I'll wait...

(take your time to twist the facts to suit your narrative of course)
 

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I commented on Israel and nobody else.

Your accusation against me is unfounded and inappropriate. Grow up.
Go ahead and prove my accusations are wrong by answering these questions.
1) Does the country of Palestine have the same rights to exist as a country as Israel?
2) Do Palestinians have the same basic human rights as zionists, including the right to self defence?



If your message is decoded it means that there will be peace once all the Jews in Israel are driven into the sea. We already know that's your philosophy. No need to debate it again.
Every accusation is a confession comes from the fact that what the fact that you think other people have the same thoughts that you do. So when you support wiping Palestine off the maps and driving Palestinians into the sea, stealing their land and committing genocide you immediately think that everyone else must have similar thoughts about you and zionists.

Protesters for Palestine want to end war crimes and bring justice to the land. They do not want what you want.

 

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But they did, didn't they. Instead of trying to make the best of a situation they didn't like by taking what was offered to them, they made it worse by by saying no and stomping their foot like a petulant child and now they've been refugees for 80 years.

Well boo hoo hoo to them. Decisions have consequences.

We've debated this before with the same conclusion. Israel has a homeland the Arabs/Palis do not. That is reality. No need to repeat these talking points.
You would argue that Ukraine should stop whining and just accept Putin ruling Ukraine.
You would argue that Ukrainians should just accept another Holodomor.
 
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