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[Skoob]

No. It's obviously not impossible.

However, I think that it's hypocritical to criticize one example of Biden a gaffe (and he's not even running) being glossed over as "he really meant to say" yet never criticize the exact same type of defence for the dozens of ridiculous things trump has said. In this case it's a matter of quantity over quality since the quality is equal on both sides.

Trump is not a silver-tongued career politician.
He uses metaphors, humour and exaggeration to make his points. It's his style. Some interpret that in different ways. Supporters know what he means. Non-supporters only look at the words and then lose their shit.
We should judge him on his policies in office not hang on every word he says.

For example, what specific Trump policies did you support vs not support while he was in office?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

He uses metaphors, humour and exaggeration to make his points. It's his style. Some interpret that in different ways.

Well, if that wasn't a glib understatement and untruth lol.
Trump users abuse, lies, vitriol, hate and for sure exaggeration to make his points.
He leaves no reason for interpretation.
For example: "They are eating the dogs! They are eating the cats! They are eating the pets!", needs no interpretation.
There are no metaphors in that quote.
There is no humour.
There are however lies and hate.

 

[Skoob]

Well, if that wasn't a glib understatement and untruth lol.
Trump users abuse, lies, vitriol, hate and for sure exaggeration to make his points.
He leaves no reason for interpretation.
For example: "They are eating the dogs! They are eating the cats! They are eating the pets!", needs no interpretation.
There are no metaphors in that quote.
There is no humour.
There are however lies and hate.

Right no metaphors because he was referencing a claim made by a constituent:



Where do the claims come from?

They seemingly originated from a local resident who complained about Haitian immigrants at a Springfield city commission meeting on 27 August.

The man, who said he was a social media influencer, urged the government to "do something", making unsubstantiated claims about supposed crimes they were committing.

He said they were capturing ducks in a local park, slaughtering them and eating them.

Facebook posts on local crime-watch groups started making similar claims, with one supposed resident whose post went viral saying their "daughter's friend" had seen Haitians eating her cat and that local authorities had said they were doing the same with ducks and geese.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Right no metaphors because he was referencing a claim made by a constituent:

He made a statement.
He was not referencing a claim.
He made a statement and when pressed said he saw it on TV.
Even if he was referencing a claim it would fall under the category of lies and hate.
And then there is a thing called common sense.
A person of average intelligence or a person who has some goodness in them would have ignored such claims and not repeated them.

 

[Skoob]

He made a statement.
He was not referencing a claim.
He made a statement and when pressed said he saw it on TV.
Even if he was referencing a claim it would fall under the category of lies and hate.

You think he just made that up without ever hearing about it?
That's what the media implied.

At least he referenced an actual claim made by a constituent.
How do explain Biden saying he was at ground zero the next day but wasn't?
Or Walz being in Tiananmen Square during the riots but he wasn't?

Those are pure lies that have deceptive intentions behind them.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You think he just made that up without ever hearing about it?
That's what the media implied.

I said that even if it is true that he was just referenced a claim, a person of average intelligence or one with some goodness in him, wouldn't have.

 

[Skoob]

I said that even if it is true that he was just referenced a claim, a person of average intelligence or one with some goodness in him, wouldn't have.

Nice pivot.
You implied he was lying. Now you pivot to "he shouldn't have said that even if it were true". That's funny.

It underscores the bigger issue that the US is facing with illegal immigrants and that's why he said that. Point is he wasn't lying and just making that up as the media portrayed.

The US has a serious problem with immigration. Canada does as well but not as bad as the US.

I think most people are done with the pleasantries of trying to paint a rosier picture than reality.

Trump is trying to protect people. That's the goodness you overlook.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Nice pivot.
You implied he was lying. Now you pivot to "he shouldn't have said that even if it were true". That's funny.

I did not imply he was lying.
I said he was.
Because he was lying.
He made a statement and doubled down on it as fact.
When pressed he said I heard it on TV.
If he had said "I heard on TV that these Haitians were eating pets", that would be repeating someone else's lie.
But he said "They are eating the dogs! They are eating the cats! They are eating the pets!".
That is a lie.
I said that even the example that I gave (which did not happen) is something, a person of average intelligence and someone with an ounce of good in them, wouldn't resort to.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It underscores the bigger issue that the US is facing with illegal immigrants and that's why he said that. Point is he wasn't lying and just making that up as the media portrayed.

They were not illegal immigrants.
That is another lie.

Immigration FAQs | City of Springfield Ohio Official Website

The City of Springfield has experienced a surge in our population over the last several years, primarily due to an influx of legal immigrants choosing Sprin ...

springfieldohio.gov

Q: Are the immigrants here legally and how did they qualify?
A: YES, Haitian immigrants are here legally, under the Immigration Parole Program. Once here, immigrants are then eligible to apply for Temporary Protected Status (TPS). Haiti is designated by the Secretary of Homeland Security for TPS. Current TPS is granted through February 3, 2026.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Trump is trying to protect people. That's the goodness you overlook.

Who is he trying to protect?
How?
By demonizing people?

 

[Skoob]

I did not imply he was lying.
I said he was.
Because he was lying.
He made a statement and doubled down on it as fact.
When pressed he said I heard it on TV.
If he had said "I heard on TV that these Haitians were eating pets", that would be repeating someone else's lie.
But he said "They are eating the dogs! They are eating the cats! They are eating the pets!".
That is a lie.
I said that even the example that I gave (which did not happen) is something, a person of average intelligence and someone with an ounce of good in them, wouldn't resort to.

So you think it was just coincidence that he said that before hearing about the person who claimed it was happening?
The probability of that happening would be incredible.

Wow being picky about the delivery of words...remember when I said Trump-haters just hang on every word with bully-level scrutiny? Well that proves my point.

 

[Skoob]

They were not illegal immigrants.
That is another lie.

Immigration FAQs | City of Springfield Ohio Official Website

The City of Springfield has experienced a surge in our population over the last several years, primarily due to an influx of legal immigrants choosing Sprin ...

springfieldohio.gov

Q: Are the immigrants here legally and how did they qualify?
A: YES, Haitian immigrants are here legally, under the Immigration Parole Program. Once here, immigrants are then eligible to apply for Temporary Protected Status (TPS). Haiti is designated by the Secretary of Homeland Security for TPS. Current TPS is granted through February 3, 2026.

He based his comments on a claim made by a constituent.
Considering there have been people who have been murdered by illegal immigrants, is that not a viable assumption?

Again, you are focusing on the minutia without acknowledging the actual bigger issue that is real.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So you think it was just coincidence that he said that before hearing about the person who claimed it was happening?
The probability of that happening would be incredible.

Wow being picky about the delivery of words...remember when I said Trump-haters just hang on every word with bully-level scrutiny? Well that proves my point.

He says he heard it on TV. May be that is true, may be it is not.
Either way it is a lie to to make a statement, and then double down when fact checked live.

 

[Skoob]

Who is he trying to protect?
How?
By demonizing people?

He's trying to protect citizens and legal immigrants by dealing with something the Dems have practically ignored for 4 years until they couldn't any longer. Similar to how they hid Biden's mental state for so long until they couldn't. It's what they do.

Nothing wrong with demonizing illegal immigrants who are contributing to crimes. If you're looking for a pretty & colourful explanation of that, using pretty and kind words, you are fooling yourself.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

He based his comments on a claim made by a constituent.
Considering there have been people who have been murdered by illegal immigrants, is that not a viable assumption?

Again, you are focusing on the minutia without acknowledging the actual bigger issue that is real.

These Haitians did not murder anybody.
Murder was not even discussed. So it is not a viable assumption.
Yes, it is still a lie to call them illegal immigrants.
His comments need to be based on facts. Not lies.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

He's trying to protect citizens and legal immigrants by dealing with something the Dems have practically ignored for 4 years until they couldn't any longer. Similar to how they hid Biden's mental state for so long until they couldn't. It's what they do.

Nothing wrong with demonizing illegal immigrants who are contributing to crimes. If you're looking for a pretty & colourful explanation of that, using pretty and kind words, you are fooling yourself.

Citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants commit crimes.
Picking only illegal immigrants as a group to target, is malicious.
They are the most vulnerable group amongst the 3, and Trump is demonizing them due to their ethnicity.
He is therefore hurting people. Not protecting them.

 

[Skoob]

He says he heard it on TV. May be that is true, may be it is not.
Either way it is a lie to to make a statement, and then double down when fact checked live.

Maybe? haha that's funny.
It's not a lie to make a statement if you believe it to be true based on the information available.

It would be a lie to simply make the whole thing up, which he obviously didn't do.

 

[Skoob]

Citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants commit crimes.
Picking only illegal immigrants as a group to target, is malicious.
They are the most vulnerable group amongst the 3, and Trump is demonizing them due to their ethnicity.
He is therefore hurting people. Not protecting them.

Except that illegal immigrants shouldn't be in the country in the first place, and compounding the issues.
He also noted that this also includes gang members which is a fact.

Why do you support illegal immigrants who bypass the legal process to enter the country? That in itself is a crime.

Nice try playing the race card. That's a desperate, futile but predictable move.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Maybe? haha that's funny.
It's not a lie to make a statement if you believe it to be true based on the information available.

It would be a lie to simply make the whole thing up, which he obviously didn't do.

The information available squarely called it a lie and a hoax.
To base a statement on a lie, that was already debunked and then to double down on it even when fact checked, amounts to making up the whole thing.
That is a lie.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Except that illegal immigrants shouldn't be in the country in the first place, and compounding the issues.
He also noted that this also includes gang members which is a fact.

Why do you support illegal immigrants who bypass the legal process to enter the country? That in itself is a crime.

Nice try playing the race card. That's a desperate, futile but predictable move.

Nice pivot.
We are not talking about their legality.
We are talking about Trump's malicious attacks on a vulnerable group.
I dont support illegal immigration.
But I also dont support demonizing them.
It is not I that is playing the race card. Trump is.