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Valcazar

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I think you might be missing the point here as well. NOBODY asked for these dictatorships. Do you think the majority of people were consulted and gave their consent? And none of them dressed themselves up as a choice.
I dunno.
Skoob was saying the communists didn't claim to be dictatorships and then were, while the right wing parties claimed to be dictatorships and then were.
So you are getting a dictatorship either way, but the right wing is honest about it.
Or something.
 
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Valcazar

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You really think Trump went after Hunter for being son of Joe
Yes.
Obviously.
They were going after him for years as a way to get to Joe Biden.
It's not like they were subtle about it.

I'm curious about your input...Do you believe Trump is Fascist? and will be just like Hitler?
Trump is a Fascist, yes.
It's not a particularly useful description, but it applies.
I'm with Paxton on this.

-- [Paxton] told me that he doesn’t believe using the word is politically helpful in any way, but he confirmed the diagnosis. “It’s bubbling up from below in very worrisome ways, and that’s very much like the original fascisms,” Paxton said. “It’s the real thing. It really is.” --

Obviously Trump won't be just like Hitler.
It's an entirely different country and historical context.
Trump and Trumpism won't be just like Hitler and Nazism.
None of the fascisms have been identical to one another.
 

richaceg

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Yes.
Obviously.
They were going after him for years as a way to get to Joe Biden.
It's not like they were subtle about it.



Trump is a Fascist, yes.
It's not a particularly useful description, but it applies.
I'm with Paxton on this.

-- [Paxton] told me that he doesn’t believe using the word is politically helpful in any way, but he confirmed the diagnosis. “It’s bubbling up from below in very worrisome ways, and that’s very much like the original fascisms,” Paxton said. “It’s the real thing. It really is.” --

Obviously Trump won't be just like Hitler.
It's an entirely different country and historical context.
Trump and Trumpism won't be just like Hitler and Nazism.
None of the fascisms have been identical to one another.
So how will Trump pull "fascism" as a president? in a republic that boasts itself on freedom...I mean, there were no signs of "fascism" in his first term...i mean lets face it...MSM had a field day when Trump was in office and protests weren't dealt with "fascism".. I grew up in a country where Journalists were executed for criticizing the Gov't...protesters are beaten up, protest leaders disappear.Polticial opposition disappear. I don't think it's going to happen under Trump...I just don't see it.
 

Valcazar

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So how will Trump pull "fascism" as a president? in a republic that boasts itself on freedom...I mean, there were no signs of "fascism" in his first term...i mean lets face it...MSM had a field day when Trump was in office and protests weren't dealt with "fascism".. I grew up in a country where Journalists were executed for criticizing the Gov't...protesters are beaten up, protest leaders disappear.Polticial opposition disappear. I don't think it's going to happen under Trump...I just don't see it.
There were lots of signs of "fascism" in his first term.
The entire rhetoric he used, obviously, but also his weaponization of the DOJ to go after his political enemies. His attempts to have protesters beaten up.
He failed to execute, but that doesn't mean he didn't try.
Now, you may be right that you just can't see him being more successful the second time around. That seems to be the position lots of people are taking.
I don't think "he is BAD at it" is a particularly compelling argument, though.
 
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There were lots of signs of "fascism" in his first term.
The entire rhetoric he used, obviously, but also his weaponization of the DOJ to go after his political enemies.
The hypocrisy of this statement is astounding....
 

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The entire rhetoric he used, obviously, but also his weaponization of the DOJ to go after his political enemies.
So you're saying Biden/Kamala is mirroring Trump for going after him and "weaponizing the DOJ"? crying "Fascism" and "He's hitler" is a little bit overreaching and overreacting... this is more like a scare tactic to not vote for him...I'm not sure if it will work...but definitely out of desperation because of his surging numbers...the dems went from "Trump is a misogynist and racist to Fascist and hitler" it went overdrive....
 

Valcazar

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So you're saying Biden/Kamala is mirroring Trump for going after him and "weaponizing the DOJ"?
No.
Not at all.

crying "Fascism" and "He's hitler" is a little bit overreaching and overreacting...
If anything it has been an under-reaction.

this is more like a scare tactic to not vote for him...I'm not sure if it will work...but definitely out of desperation because of his surging numbers...the dems went from "Trump is a misogynist and racist to Fascist and hitler" it went overdrive....
The fact a lot of the American electorate either wants autocratic rule or is burying their head in the sand is a tragedy.
But it is what it is.
 
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richaceg

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No.
Not at all.



If anything it has been an under-reaction.



The fact a lot of the American electorate either wants autocratic rule or is burying their head in the sand is a tragedy.
But it is what it is.
So for Americans to vote for Trump, Majority want's autocratic now? it's autocratic to vote for safer and stricter borders? it's autocratic to want better economy? because that''s what Trump voters sentiment are, i'm not saying his MAGA base but those who are leaning towards Trump for policy...I do understand that there are "just not Trump" and "just not Kamala" voters out there...
 

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His staff quoting Trump. Kelly quoting Trump. They're quoting him saying those things.
Weapons?!?!? Beating cops with hockey sticks? Fire extinguishers? Zip ties? Flagpoles? Bear spray? Testimony from his aides saying trump saying get rid of the magnotometers so his people could get in, and saying "they're not here to hurt me". This is all public record. "Get rid of the fucking mags" his assistent testified under oath saying Trump said this.
Attitude is not a substitute to fact BTW.
"quoting" is hearsay.

Hockey sticks??? Ooooooooh what a viciously armed "insurrection" mob indeed! Lol!

Just watch the recently released footage of Nancy Pelosi and what she was saying leading up to, during and after Jan 6th and relish in her admittance that security was her failure.

btw Trump was acquitted. I know that bothers you. It would bother me too if I just hated someone and the narrative gets broken.
 
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Skoob

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Am not saying communism is good or bad.
Am only saying communism and democracy are not incompatible.
You mean Putin has remained in power based on a democratic process? Lol!

Or how "democratic" does Xi Jinping seem to you? Here's a sample of their version of democracy being "compatible" with Communism...

A law enacted in 2013 authorized a three-year prison term for bloggers who shared more than 500 times any content considered "defamatory. The State Internet Information Department summoned influential bloggers to a seminar to instruct them to avoid writing about politics, the CCP, or making statements contradicting official narratives. Many bloggers stopped writing about controversial topics, and Weibo went into decline, with much of its readership shifting to WeChat users speaking to limited social circles. In 2017, telecommunications carriers were instructed to block individuals' use of Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) by February 2018.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping



Kinda reminds me of how Harris wanted to censor Trump's Twitter account...no?
 

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"quoting" is hearsay.

Hockey sticks??? Ooooooooh what a viciously armed "insurrection" mob indeed! Lol!

Just watch the recently released footage of Nancy Pelosi and what she was saying leading up to, during and after Jan 6th and relish in her admittance that security was her failure.

btw Trump was acquitted. I know that bothers you. It would bother me too if I just hated someone and the narrative gets broken.
Quoting someone is not hearsay. It's hearsay to a third party. General Kelly could testify under oath what he heard trump say and have his testimony admitted because he heard it from Trump. If Kelly heard what trump said it from Meadows, but not trump directly, that's heasay. Gotta bone up on the law here.
You ignored the other testimony about weapons. 140 cops had to get medical attention. One had a heart attack from being zapped with a stun gun (not a weapon?). So not weapony-enough for you? Those 140 cops all fakers?
Pelosi cannot call up the national guard. That story trump pushes that the speaker of the house is responsible is a lie. She has no power to call up the national guard. So why did Trump, who watched on TV, do nothing? He certainly violated his oath. And, McConnell said the courts will try him. Impeachment is political not legal. After all, your friends sit on the jury.
Anyhow, let's be accurate.
 

Valcazar

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So for Americans to vote for Trump, Majority want's autocratic now? it's autocratic to vote for safer and stricter borders? it's autocratic to want better economy? because that''s what Trump voters sentiment are, i'm not saying his MAGA base but those who are leaning towards Trump for policy...I do understand that there are "just not Trump" and "just not Kamala" voters out there...
No.
Even if he won the popular vote (much less likely than him winning the election since the US electoral system is so terribly designed) I wouldn't assume that everyone specifically voted for autocracy.
I'd put that group at maybe 25-35% of the electorate.
Like I said, lots of people are putting their heads in the sand and thinking he isn't serious or that he's too incompetent to do those parts.
It's a problem. It would be much better if they took him seriously.

But almost half the US electorate is in favor of concentration camps.
That's not just Republicans.
There are LOTS of people who are fine with lots of very worrying government behavior.

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Skoob

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Quoting someone is not hearsay. It's hearsay to a third party. General Kelly could testify under oath what he heard trump say and have his testimony admitted because he heard it from Trump. If Kelly heard what trump said it from Meadows, but not trump directly, that's heasay. Gotta bone up on the law here.
You ignored the other testimony about weapons. 140 cops had to get medical attention. One had a heart attack from being zapped with a stun gun (not a weapon?). So not weapony-enough for you? Those 140 cops all fakers?
Pelosi cannot call up the national guard. That story trump pushes that the speaker of the house is responsible is a lie. She has no power to call up the national guard. So why did Trump, who watched on TV, do nothing? He certainly violated his oath. And, McConnell said the courts will try him. Impeachment is political not legal. After all, your friends sit on the jury.
Anyhow, let's be accurate.
A quote is not proof of anything whether you consider it hearsay or not. Maybe someone misunderstood. Maybe someone has an axe to grind. Is that the hill of proof you are willing to die on?

Trump did issue a call for peace...did you conveniently forget about that?

Ah right, just dismiss the acquittal and look forward to the next witch hunt.
 

richaceg

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No.
Even if he won the popular vote (much less likely than him winning the election since the US electoral system is so terribly designed) I wouldn't assume that everyone specifically voted for autocracy.
I'd put that group at maybe 25-35% of the electorate.
Like I said, lots of people are putting their heads in the sand and thinking he isn't serious or that he's too incompetent to do those parts.
It's a problem. It would be much better if they took him seriously.

But almost half the US electorate is in favor of concentration camps.
That's not just Republicans.
There are LOTS of people who are fine with lots of very worrying government behavior.

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Well you can't have undocumented immigrants running around the country. "militarized camps" sure, but concentration camp? really? you make it sound like these illegals will be treated like how Nazis did in Auschwitz...I'd say it's leaning more like they will be housed in a building where they can't go freely roam around the country, probably fed, and sent back to where they came from. Or you really leaning towards concentration camps still?
 
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