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Klatuu

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2 primary reasons in my opinion. Lack of leadership to make realistic decisions. The nature of Israel's conception, which was considered stealing land that was not theirs.
They should have accepted the partition, and then laid claim to Israel and it would have remained a long standing border or territorial dispute between 2 states instead of what it is today.
More victim blaming with nary a mention of the horrific crimes Palestinians have been subjected to or the culpability of Israel or the ideology of Zionism. Nothing can justify what has happened to Palestinians. There is no shortcoming that justifies it. There is no leadership problem that justifies it.….that’s another Ziontology chestnut. Any effective leadership that Palestinians had was either murdered or imprisoned.
 
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Leimonis

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interesting link. I am reading these docs now. Pretty fascinating.
For example, back in 1947 USSR rep said to the General Assembly:

...the solution of the Palestine problem by the establishment of a single Arab-Jewish State with equal rights for the Jews and the Arabs may be considered as one of the possibilities and one of the more noteworthy methods for the solution of this complicated problem. Such a solution of the problem of Palestine’s future might be a sound foundation for the peaceful co-existence and co-operation of the Arab and Jewish populations of Palestine, in the interests of both these peoples and to the advantage of the entire Palestine population and of the peace and security of the Near East.
If this plan proved impossible to implement, in view of the deterioration in the relations between the Jews and the Arabs—and it will be very important to know the special committee’s opinion on this question—then it would be necessary to consider the second plan which, like the first, has its supporters in Palestine, and which provides for the partition of Palestine into two independent autonomous States, one Jewish and one Arab. I repeat that such a solution of the Palestine problem would be justifiable only if relations between the Jewish and Arab populations of Palestine indeed proved to be so bad that it would be impossible to reconcile them and to ensure the peaceful co-existence of the Arabs and the Jews.

So even Soviets knew back then that if it seemed that Arabs and Jews could not live peacefully with each other, the solution should be 2 independent autonomous states.
How the fuck can anyone believe in one state from the river to the sea today, with the current level of radicalization and hatred? It's plain fucking idiotic.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Reports suggest that Hamas was trying to take hostages and Israel responded with the Hannibal Doctrine, which caused most of the deaths.
Did Israel put civilians in harms way by putting them too close to Gaza? Were they used as human shields? Were they civilian casualties because of Israeli planning and actions or Hamas targets? That is unclear and should be investigated.
Taking hostages is a war crime. Hannibal if true, is also a war crime.
If those civilians lived on Israel's side of the border, then it is a Hamas war crime.
 

Butler1000

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Their foresight? You mean your victim blaming hindsight that justifies nothing and you seem hellbent on projecting on them.
In other words you are talking out of your ass. The leadership ordered the evacuation so the armed forces could go in to kill all the Jews. You are now gaslighting to obscure their failure. There was no leadership killed that wanted peace, unless it was their own people that wanted them dead.
 
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Butler1000

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You are refusing to accept that Palestinians have also made mistakes.
75 years worth. Multiple lost battles. Support of coups in neighboring nations. Allying with the Muslim Brotherhood, turning to international terrorism, allying with Iran, and using all the billions of aud to steal it and use it for war instead of improving their own lot.

They are incapable of self government
 

danmand

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Well they are Israeli citizens. If Russia attacks Israel, those 1.5M people would want to fight for Israel against Russia.
They are probably mostly dual citizens. Let us see how many go to Russia. We have seen a lot of American/Israelis go back to USA.

Sometimes survival becomes more important than principles.
 

Leimonis

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They are probably mostly dual citizens. Let us see how many go to Russia. We have seen a lot of American/Israelis go back to USA.

Sometimes survival becomes more important than principles.
Reportedly they plan to go to Denmark and ask for asylum
 

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Klatuu

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In other words you are talking out of your ass. The leadership ordered the evacuation so the armed forces could go in to kill all the Jews. You are now gaslighting to obscure their failure. There was no leadership killed that wanted peace, unless it was their own people that wanted them dead.
Cult fiction
 

Klatuu

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75 years worth. Multiple lost battles. Support of coups in neighboring nations. Allying with the Muslim Brotherhood, turning to international terrorism, allying with Iran, and using all the billions of aud to steal it and use it for war instead of improving their own lot.

They are incapable of self government
Racism
 
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shack

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Limited to defending their territory should anyone attack it. I am not redefining Hamas' actions against civilians on Oct 7 as self defence.
Thanks. I was curious. Geno seems to think that they have a carte blanche.
 

Butler1000

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Palestinians aren't a race. They were named originally by the Romans. Don't you know history?

 
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Leimonis

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Meanwhile in other news:

Hamas has announced the Death of Saeed Atallah Ali, the Head of their Military Wing also known as the “Al-Qassam Brigades” in Lebanon, who was Eliminated earlier tonight alongside his Family, in an Israeli Precision-Airstrike on his Apartment within the Beddawi Refugee Camp in the Tripoli District of Northwestern Lebanon.
 
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