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Franky and company hijacking a thread about Susan to post Anti Israel and anti Jewish and terror supporting propaganda blaming Jews (he calls them Zionists)
Who is Susan?
Or are you talking about the thread where you just randomly slandered me then refused to condemn killing children or genocide?
Bisan won a Pulitzer.
Promoting genocide gets you 5 years in prison in Canada.
its time to start charging people.
Just as its time to charge people for aiding genocide.
its time to start charging people.
Just as its time to charge people for aiding genocide.
Which is why you are paranoid about revealing the slightest bit of personal information about yourself.
Every accusation is a confession, gvir.
I march without a mask in protests for Palestine.
I'm not worried.
Its Israel that is committing genocide, a genocide you are actively promoting here.
I'm calling for a ceasefire and holding both sides to the law.
Fixed, since you once again got my position wrong.
Even zionist doctors will have to have their day in court.
Action must be taken on alleged complicity of Israeli doctors in torture
Israeli physicians risk becoming, or may already be, complicit in torture and ill-treatment of detained Palestinians.
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Of course they are.
They always have been.
And, as you well know, it is a counter-productive strategy in the system they are in.
This is why third parties collapse back after they get enough votes to cause people to regret their votes.
The better plan to make sure you can get power in a counter-majoritarian fashion is to have people decide to not vote at all.
There is a reason people spend so much money to help make sure that happens.
Sure.
But since Butler and Frank and so on don't vote in US elections, I see no reason to treat them like voters I need to persuade.
Sometimes a no win happens. That's what this is. As an example look at the Dearborn area Muslims. They are going to either stay home, vote third party, or Vote Trump. All to stick it to Biden. Because he IS THE ONE, authorizing the bombs and simping to Israel.
It truly doesn't matter. When the two parties are the same, this is what happens.
And yet you've spend hours trying to convince me that not voting for Biden is 'punishing' him.
Are you just trying to justify why you will vote to 'reward' Biden and support the genocide?
What is happening in Gaza is on the horizon for the West Bank
Only the islamaphobic trained seals ever believed this myth. But, the IDF still doesn’t get it. It’s not Hamas that’s at the root of this, it’s the Palestinian expression of the universal drive for freedom and equality that can’t be destroyed.
And that fills Ziontologists with rage
And that fills Ziontologists with rage
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You really don't think its worth trying to change the system, do you?
I wonder if this means the CBC will win a $25,000 award for exposing Rebel Media.
ANOTHER RESIGNATION PROTESTING BIDEN'S FOLLY
State Dept. expert on Israeli-Palestinian affairs resigns amid Gaza crisis
Andrew Miller, a senior diplomat, cited family obligations for his departure. He is said to have recognized early on the risks of Biden’s “bear hug” strategy.
By John Hudson
Updated June 21, 2024 at 12:29 p.m. EDT|Published June 21, 2024 at 11:08 a.m. EDT
President Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken meet in Tel Aviv in October with victims’ relatives and others affected by the Hamas attacks on Israel that set off the wider Gaza war. (Evan Vucci/AP)
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A senior State Department official and skeptic of the Biden administration’s “bear hug” approach to the government of Israel resigned this week in a setback for U.S. diplomats pushing for a sharper break with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his far-right coalition, said three people familiar with the matter.
Andrew Miller, the deputy assistant secretary for Israeli-Palestinian affairs, told colleagues Friday that he had decided to leave his job. He cited his family, saying he has seen them sparingly as the eight-month war in Gaza has become all-consuming. Miller told colleagues that if not for those responsibilities, he would have preferred to remain in his job and fight for what he believes, including in those areas where he disagreed with administration policy.
Miller’s resignation, which has not been previously reported, comes amid growing frustration inside and outside government over the war’s steep civilian death toll and concerns among some that influence over policy matters has been dominated by a narrow coterie of President Biden’s closest advisers. Miller is the most senior U.S. official to resign to date whose portfolio focuses on Israeli-Palestinian issues.
“His departure will be a loss for the administration in general and the State Department in particular,” said Suzanne Maloney, vice president and director of foreign policy at the Brookings Institution. “It’s a telling indicator of the general toll that the conflict has taken on those who have been working to deal with its security implications for the United States and its allies.”
People who know Miller describe him as a principled supporter of Palestinian rights and statehood, and a nuanced thinker about Middle East affairs. Before his job focusing on Israeli-Palestinian issues, he was a senior policy adviser to the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and during the Obama administration, he served as director for Egypt and Israel military issues on the White House National Security Council.
Those familiar with Miller’s decision to leave spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid about a personnel matter.
“Andrew brought deep experience and sharp perspective to the table every day,” said State Department spokesman Matthew Miller. “Everyone here is sorry to see him go, but we wish him well in his next endeavors.”
Andrew Miller served as deputy assistant secretary of state for Israeli-Palestinian affairs since December 2022. (U.S. Department of State)
Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert who has advised both Democratic and Republican administrations, called Andrew Miller a “smart” and “creative” diplomat but said it had become difficult for officials at the department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs to influence policy.
“He was caught in a bureau of well-intentioned and capable Foreign Service officers who have had little or no impact on U.S. policy before and even after October 7,” said Aaron Miller, noting the date when Hamas militants led a cross-border attack into Israel that killed 1,200 people and took more than 240 hostages.
Matthew Miller, the State Department spokesman, rejected that characterization of the bureau, noting that Secretary of State Antony Blinken has brought its leader, Barbara Leaf, on all eight of his trips to the Middle East since Oct. 7 and has relied on her extensively as she carries messages from him and the president to leaders throughout the region.
Israel’s retaliatory military campaign has killed more than 37,000 Palestinians, according to local health authorities, and divided officials across the U.S. government about the appropriate response.
Israeli forces rescued four hostages over the weekend in an operation that also killed at least 270 Palestinians in Gaza. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is beginning a tour of the Middle East.
End of carousel
At the outset of the conflict, Biden provided his full backing to the Israelis, surging weapons into the conflict and providing diplomatic and political cover at international institutions — even as Israel employed indiscriminate bombing tactics and impeded access to humanitarian aid. Despite that support, Netanyahu has repeatedly ignored U.S. demands to take a more surgical approach in Gaza and refrain from exacerbating tensions with Palestinians, such as withholding their tax revenue and using incendiary rhetoric.
Though Gaza policy has been deeply divisive in the U.S. government, it has prompted only a handful of resignations at the State Department, Pentagon and other federal agencies. Officials in the department have recently been subjected to email campaigns encouraging protest resignations related to the conflict.
One U.S. official who knows Andrew Miller said he was “ahead of the curve from the beginning” in recognizing the risks of what has become known as the administration’s “bear hug” strategy, referring to Biden’s physical embrace of Netanyahu during a visit to Tel Aviv in the days after Hamas’s assault. Miller is said to have believed that the leverage the United States has over Israel as its biggest military, economic and political backer could have been used more effectively.
“He’s certainly on the more progressive side of administration officials when it comes to the region, including on Israel-Palestine, but he has also never been a ‘burn it all down and forgo pragmatism’ type,” said the official. “He has always advocated that the United States should support Palestinian rights and statehood, but his advocacy while in government has generally been quiet and measured.”
Andrew Miller’s departure surprised many inside the department, and several U.S. officials said he appealed to all sides of the contentious Israeli-Palestinian dispute. “During his time at the State Department, he was an unmatched supporter of Israel’s security and deeply attached to the fight against antisemitism,” said a senior State Department official who worked with him extensively over the years.
State Dept. expert on Israeli-Palestinian affairs resigns amid Gaza crisis
Andrew Miller, a senior diplomat, cited family obligations for his departure. He is said to have recognized early on the risks of Biden’s “bear hug” strategy.
By John Hudson
Updated June 21, 2024 at 12:29 p.m. EDT|Published June 21, 2024 at 11:08 a.m. EDT
President Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken meet in Tel Aviv in October with victims’ relatives and others affected by the Hamas attacks on Israel that set off the wider Gaza war. (Evan Vucci/AP)
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A senior State Department official and skeptic of the Biden administration’s “bear hug” approach to the government of Israel resigned this week in a setback for U.S. diplomats pushing for a sharper break with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his far-right coalition, said three people familiar with the matter.
Andrew Miller, the deputy assistant secretary for Israeli-Palestinian affairs, told colleagues Friday that he had decided to leave his job. He cited his family, saying he has seen them sparingly as the eight-month war in Gaza has become all-consuming. Miller told colleagues that if not for those responsibilities, he would have preferred to remain in his job and fight for what he believes, including in those areas where he disagreed with administration policy.
Miller’s resignation, which has not been previously reported, comes amid growing frustration inside and outside government over the war’s steep civilian death toll and concerns among some that influence over policy matters has been dominated by a narrow coterie of President Biden’s closest advisers. Miller is the most senior U.S. official to resign to date whose portfolio focuses on Israeli-Palestinian issues.
“His departure will be a loss for the administration in general and the State Department in particular,” said Suzanne Maloney, vice president and director of foreign policy at the Brookings Institution. “It’s a telling indicator of the general toll that the conflict has taken on those who have been working to deal with its security implications for the United States and its allies.”
People who know Miller describe him as a principled supporter of Palestinian rights and statehood, and a nuanced thinker about Middle East affairs. Before his job focusing on Israeli-Palestinian issues, he was a senior policy adviser to the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and during the Obama administration, he served as director for Egypt and Israel military issues on the White House National Security Council.
Those familiar with Miller’s decision to leave spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid about a personnel matter.
“Andrew brought deep experience and sharp perspective to the table every day,” said State Department spokesman Matthew Miller. “Everyone here is sorry to see him go, but we wish him well in his next endeavors.”
Andrew Miller served as deputy assistant secretary of state for Israeli-Palestinian affairs since December 2022. (U.S. Department of State)
Aaron David Miller, a Middle East expert who has advised both Democratic and Republican administrations, called Andrew Miller a “smart” and “creative” diplomat but said it had become difficult for officials at the department’s Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs to influence policy.
“He was caught in a bureau of well-intentioned and capable Foreign Service officers who have had little or no impact on U.S. policy before and even after October 7,” said Aaron Miller, noting the date when Hamas militants led a cross-border attack into Israel that killed 1,200 people and took more than 240 hostages.
Matthew Miller, the State Department spokesman, rejected that characterization of the bureau, noting that Secretary of State Antony Blinken has brought its leader, Barbara Leaf, on all eight of his trips to the Middle East since Oct. 7 and has relied on her extensively as she carries messages from him and the president to leaders throughout the region.
Israel’s retaliatory military campaign has killed more than 37,000 Palestinians, according to local health authorities, and divided officials across the U.S. government about the appropriate response.
Israeli forces rescued four hostages over the weekend in an operation that also killed at least 270 Palestinians in Gaza. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is beginning a tour of the Middle East.
End of carousel
At the outset of the conflict, Biden provided his full backing to the Israelis, surging weapons into the conflict and providing diplomatic and political cover at international institutions — even as Israel employed indiscriminate bombing tactics and impeded access to humanitarian aid. Despite that support, Netanyahu has repeatedly ignored U.S. demands to take a more surgical approach in Gaza and refrain from exacerbating tensions with Palestinians, such as withholding their tax revenue and using incendiary rhetoric.
Though Gaza policy has been deeply divisive in the U.S. government, it has prompted only a handful of resignations at the State Department, Pentagon and other federal agencies. Officials in the department have recently been subjected to email campaigns encouraging protest resignations related to the conflict.
One U.S. official who knows Andrew Miller said he was “ahead of the curve from the beginning” in recognizing the risks of what has become known as the administration’s “bear hug” strategy, referring to Biden’s physical embrace of Netanyahu during a visit to Tel Aviv in the days after Hamas’s assault. Miller is said to have believed that the leverage the United States has over Israel as its biggest military, economic and political backer could have been used more effectively.
“He’s certainly on the more progressive side of administration officials when it comes to the region, including on Israel-Palestine, but he has also never been a ‘burn it all down and forgo pragmatism’ type,” said the official. “He has always advocated that the United States should support Palestinian rights and statehood, but his advocacy while in government has generally been quiet and measured.”
Andrew Miller’s departure surprised many inside the department, and several U.S. officials said he appealed to all sides of the contentious Israeli-Palestinian dispute. “During his time at the State Department, he was an unmatched supporter of Israel’s security and deeply attached to the fight against antisemitism,” said a senior State Department official who worked with him extensively over the years.
