POS Nation when run by Ziontology
Israel at war
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I'm admitting that you're an imbecile.
Is this the best you can come up with?
You're not good at being clever.
Come on shack, let's hear you justify this without saying something stupid.
I'm sure you have lots to offer on that subject.
On this thread the tides have shifted. There is less of a threat of rump winning and more and more it looks like Harris will continue support of the genocide. Palestine protesters have been waiting to see where she stands but it appears there is no air between her and Biden on this subject after all.
Its clear there is no military goal in Gaza and that continuing this genocide benefits only Netanyahu and the Kahanists in Israel.
Harris has already become Holocaust Harris.
Well then, it is your moral duty to stop her and get Trump elected then, isn't it?
In that case you are either an idiot to not know what your own opinion is or a coward to publicly state what it is.
As such, since you don't deny it we'll stick with your belief is that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. I can work with that.
Why would I choose that option when now is the perfect time for protests to get her to change her policy?
Pre election is the time where politicians have to appear to listen to their voters, as you know.
Why would you try to frame it so idiotically?
You just said that it looks like she is going to win and she is Holocaust Harris.
Therefore she must be stopped.
You have also said that the primary way to do this is to threaten to withhold the votes in key states.
But if she now looks more certain to win, your leverage - based as it is entirely on throwing the election to Trump - is weakeing.
Ergo, weakening Harris is the only moral thing for you to do.
This article isn't idiotic, it's quite good.
But I get you disagree with Waleed Shahid and me on this, as you have pointed out repeatedly.
Her support for Israel must be stopped through political pressure before the election so she can lose the Holocaust Harris name.
I do hope you don't mark papers using this type of straw man attack. What a waste.
Straw man.
Dems against genocide, all 80% of them, can pressure for change. For those where this is a major issue they can threaten 'uncommitted', not voting or voting for Stein. That's their choice.
Why are you against using the powers of democracy, voters using mass movements and protest to force change when politicians won't listen to them?
Shahid argues, as I do, that you must use political pressure to change politicians policy.
You argued that its pragmatic to just vote for genocide instead.
I understand that you think keeping rump out of power is more important than trying to change the US so they don't spend nearly a $1 trillion on genocide and instead use that money for social services, debt reduction or student loans.
But then you get this.
OK, let's pretend you are arguing in good faith.
What qualifies as "stopped" in the sentence "Her support for Israel must be stopped"?
And, just for fun follow-up, if it isn't "stopped", what should take place?
If it is "stopped", what should take place?
Please remember that you've argued consistently that electoral considerations don't matter, only the morality of casting a vote that supports genocide.
Who ever said it wasn't their choice?
I'm not.
I never have been.
I've been pointing out that your tactics are bad.
Wow.
You have severe reading comprehension issues, don't you?
Shahid and I are in very close agreement on this matter, as you can tell if you read the article.
Oh, I noticed that earlier.
You keep classifying purchases as spending, why is that?
You see the US selling 20 billion in arms and then complain they could have spent that 20 billion on schools and social services.
Why do you do that?
Do you think no one notices?
Yup.But then you get this.
I can see how you clearly are positioning these people as gettable votes.
Hamas are the ones killing their own people. They are exhorting them to become martyrs while being used as human shields. And you support this.
British Diplomat Resigns - Refuses to be Complicit in Israeli War Crimes
I'm not going to pretend you are arguing in good faith.
Stopped - Aiding genocide should be stopped, both through sending weapons and funding and through blocking international actions at the UN and elsewhere. Stopping a genocide should not be a controversial position.
You did, you used straw man arguments to pretend it wasn't a possible option.
That's based only on your straw man claims about my views, which are clearly your own ideas and not mine.
Specifically, what tactics do you think are bad?
I'm calling bullshit here. For months now you've been declaring that my position is fixed, that you know exactly what it is and then you go and make black and white, straw man arguments that show you haven't been listening. I've posted about uncommitted, which you argued were 'bad tactics'. I've repeatedly stated using the kind of political pressure that Shahid argues for is the best tactic and each time you declare that means you are wasting a vote. The entire point of uncommitted is to apply political pressure through threats of not voting for genocide. Now you say this what you meant all along?
bullshit
I see, so when Biden gifts Israel with billions in aid they then use to buy US weapons you consider that a sale, not a donation.
The 600 FMF cases don't count and you consider the US is just selling weapons, regardless of how much aid they send.
I still see you as not thinking aiding genocide to be an important issue.
How is it you defined conservatism?
This appears to be your position with Palestinians.
